Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

What do you mean? I don't see any reason in Bill's email to hate Ubuntu.

Do you mean that Unity is the reason most people who hate Ubuntu hate
it? Given that Ubuntu is still the most popular Linux desktop, I don't
think most people hate it.

On 04/01/12 21:22, Andy B wrote:
> This is why most people hate Ubuntu...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Cox [mailto:waywardgeek gmail com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:10 PM
> To: Andy B
> Cc: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome
>
> On the login screen, you can choose your default desktop.  Just choose
> "Unity 2D".  The Vinux guys naturally think "Yes! Get rid of that slow 3-D
> crud!"  The shocking thing is that this version of the desktop isn't even
> GTK based.  It's using Qt and the new qt-at-spi thingy, I think.  I read
> about the rational, and it seems Canonical is very interested in ARM based
> devices, and Qt is already there, so Unity 2D based on Qt may be how Ubuntu
> gets on ARM tablets quickly.
>
> This whole thing is super risky.  Chances are high that Ubuntu will once
> again drop a software project, and any work we've done to improve Unity's
> accessibility will be wasted.  However, I've not had any luck getting
> improvements into the Gnome 2 desktop, nor has anyone else I've known in the
> community, so I figure my work has better odds of making a difference in
> Unity.  I'm also very interested in seeing how Qt a11y compares to GTK.
> Orca expanding to support Qt is pretty huge.
>
> Bill
>
> On 1/4/12, Andy B <sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:
> > How do you get the QT version of unity?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] 
> > On Behalf Of Bill Cox
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:42 PM
> > To: Glenn
> > Cc: orca-list gnome org
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome
> >
> > The default Unity Desktop is based on Gnome 3, so all Ubuntu is 
> > replacing is the Gnome 3 Shell.  I haven't played around with the Gnome 3
> Shell yet.
> > Does anyone here know it's current a11y status?
> > The version I'm using when in Ubuntu Oneiric right now is the Unity 2D 
> > version, based on Qt, rather than GTK.  It's a bit more accessible 
> > currently than the GTK based Unity, and quite a bit faster.  The panel 
> > icons talk, which is my favorite enhancement over the Gnome 2 Shell so 
> > far, though I also like that I hit the super key, type a couple 
> > letters and hit enter, and I'm running an app.  Common applications I 
> > launch with super+number.  I find this much easier than navigating 
> > menus by keyboard.  It took a while to get used to hitting F10 to get 
> > to the top panel, though.  I require use of the Compiz magnifier.  Can 
> > compiz be used with the Gnome 3 Shell?  I'd read that it does not work 
> > with either Gnome 3 Shell or Unity, but the article was wrong about 
> > Unity.  I've noticed some lag in Unity lately due I think to the 
> > switch to D-Bus with at-spi2, but it's not that bad, and hopefully the 
> > D-Bus latency can be reduced.  Other features I like in Unity are due 
> > to being low vision, rather than blind.  This desktop looks like it 
> > wants to run on touch tablets, so it's assuming a 10" screen, and 
> > therefore eliminates a ton of clutter.  For guys with great vision, 
> > Unity will look rather plain.  The top panel has the active application's
> menus, the system menu, and notification tray.
> > Everything else disappears, leaving almost all of the screen free for 
> > use by the application.  This is pretty nice for magnifier users on
> laptops.
> > If anyone can give a summary of the Gnome 3 Shell a11y, I'd very much 
> > appreciate it.  I read there's a guy named Benjamen doing a lot of 
> > a11y related code in the GTK core.  Are there any a11y upgrades in the 
> > Gnome 3 Shell over Gnome 2 Shell?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > On 12/30/11, Glenn <GlennErvin cableone net> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > I was wondering if anyone is planning on building a new version of 
> > > Ubuntu with Gnome instead of Unity, so we can get the benefit of the
> > latest Ubuntu.
> > > I'd rather not have to do that myself.
> > > Glenn
> > >
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> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > The manual is at
> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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> > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
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Christopher (CJ)
chaltain gmail com