Re: [orca-list] check this out

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I guess I'm not sure we can't have everything. Who knows where Vinux
would be right now if it had more resources. Maybe it would already be
out, we'd have the choice between multiple desktop managers and all the
other bells and whistles. Like I said, this is the nature of open
source, so we can't complain, but that doesn't also mean we can't work
to pool resources where possible.

My understanding is that the Vinux plan is to keep moving up to newer
accessibility infrastructure packages and leverage the interim Ubuntu
releases. As we have with Vinux today, this could give us the best of
both worlds, a stable LTS and a newer releases with newer packages and a
newer AT infrastructure. Of course, this is all contingent upon
resources, and it's best to check with the Vinux development team for
the real story.

I know some people resent the 6 month Ubuntu release cycle, but there
are good reasons for it. Maybe with continuous integration testing, you
could get the same stability out of a rolling release, but I think the 6
month Ubuntu release cycle tries to get new, stable and tested releases
out there in a timely fashion.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this message, but I get the impression
that your perception is that Luke and others working on accessibility
are dragging their feet or not taking into account the desires of the
disabled community. I know Luke and others mostly give of their spare
time to work on Orca, Vinux and so on. If progress seems slow, it's
because of lack of resources and not lack of effort. This is why I'd
like to see more cooperation and less fragmentation. Of course there
will be some fragmentation, and new distributions and projects will
spring up if others aren't meeting our needs, but this doesn't need to
be the norm.

On 24/08/12 07:51, Alex Midence wrote:
> Yes, Luke we do.  Some people don't want to sit around and wait for
> you guys to get Unity accessibility fixed and remain stuck using the
> LTS for who knows how long while more and more new stuff comes down
> the pipe which Ubuntu includes in it's six month releases.  It isn't
> fair to expect people to be happy using older packages when there are
> ways to use the newer ones.  Not everyone is conversant enough with
> accessibility infrastructure to get an inaccessible installation
> working which is what you would have to do in 12.10 and others who are
> conversant simply don't have the time.  So, it is nice that someone
> stepped up and did this for the community.  Now, all the improvements
> coming down in Gnome 3.6 will be available even to relative newbies
> because there's a spin that comes up talking straight out of the box.
> It may not have all the nice extra customizations and things but, hey,
> you can't have everything.  Vinux is wonderful but there hasn't been
> anything new in a while.  Precise has been out for months now and 4.0
> is still in the works last I heard and, anyway it was to be based on
> Precise.  For those who like Ubuntu and would like to be able to use a
> new version when it comes out, this spin does the trick.  I can't
> imagine that Gnubuntu release I read about earlier this week coming up
> talking so, not even that would fit the very specific bill.  In a
> nutshell, there is a demand for this very thing, someone has risen to
> the challenge and addressed it and there are those of us in the user
> community who are glad they did.
>
>
> BR,
> Alex M
>
>
>
> On 8/23/12, Luke Yelavich <themuso ubuntu com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:22:37AM EST, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
> > > Hey List,
> > >
> > > I would like to let you know about Sonar GNU/Linux.
> >
> > *sighs*
> >
> > Why do people all have to spring up and do their own thing? Projects like
> > F123 make sense, because there are locale specific requirements there, but
> > as for general distro derivatives, we really should be pooling all our
> > resources together. I'm particularly thinking of Ubuntu here. We already
> > have Vinux, so outside of F123, do we really need another one?
> >
> > Luke
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list gnome org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Christopher (CJ)
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