Re: [orca-list] Why Orca navigation algorithms are not supporting Clickable embedded Adobe flash player objects?

[Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes stommepoes nl>]

I'm inclined to agree that the Flash problem has something to do with
Linux version... I recently had to review a webite with Pink for
October theme and one of the sumbissions pulled a video (via iframe)
from another site.  This other site was using the JWPlayer which is
quite nice.

In Windows (and at least with keyboard on the Mac, but the person
checking for me did not know how to use VoiceOver), the controls
worked wonderfully and they worked quite well in JAWS and NVDA:
Play/pause button, sound level, and fullscreen. You could also get
out of the Flash as well.

If it's a Flash video then I would think the player was more important
than the platform the Flash was on. JWPlayer is made for keyboard,
and each contol gets a large yellow border around it when you focus.

-Mallory

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 01:26:17PM -0400, Kyle wrote:
> Alex, you probably are receiving this twice. I apologize. I sent the  
> reply from my phone and realized too late that I needed to change the  
> email address to send my reply to the list.
>
> From what I've read, the main problem with Flash accessibility and Orca  
> appears to be with the Linux version of Flash itself rather than a  
> problem with Orca or Firefox. Therefore, there is little or nothing that  
> the Orca devs can do to make it work until, or rather unless Adobe  
> decides to do something about the lack of accessibility of their Linux  
> Flash player, notwithstanding the fact that Flash accessibility even on  
> Windows is dismal at best. For this, as well as other technical reasons,  
> I still recommend using open standards, which also avoids forcing users  
> of a website into vendor lock-in. Free and open standards are a big win  
> for everyone, from developers to end users in general, and especially  
> users of the new breed of free and open source assistive technologies  
> such as Orca and NVDA.
>
> On the other hand, in my previous email, I did suggest working with the  
> Gnash and/or Lightspark devs to make either or both of those free and  
> open source Flash replacements accessible to Orca, because I do  
> recognize that some web designers are either unwilling or unable, due to  
> various circumstances that are likely beyond their control, to present  
> their content using free open standards. Whereas there is little or  
> nothing that can be done to make the proprietary Flash player work  
> correctly on Linux, not to mention making it work with Orca, Lightspark  
> and Gnash, being open source, can be easily adapted and improved so that  
> while Flash is still being deployed on a regular basis, users of Orca  
> will be able to more easily access a majority of Flash content.
> ~Kyle
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