Re: [orca-list] my thoughts/decisions about orca

["Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com>]

Hello,
As you raised the topic, I will give some of my thoughts.

I have to agree that for a system where one wants to focus on using it for 
email, internet and office type work (word processing and spreadsheet) then 
orca and gnome are just not cutting it now. Possibly the office type part is 
the bit I can say least on, if I use libreoffice it normally is either 
because I am dealing with a word document someone has sent me or its a very 
basic document or I know that a word document is desired (eg. the Open 
University specify that assignments should be submitted as word or RTF), for 
anything more complicated I know LaTeX and so may resort to that. The main 
issues I have revolve round the Mozilla products (thunderbird and firefox) 
and the unfortunate situation that we are currently held hostage to using 
these gnome. Many of you probably know from previous messages about my 
gripes with Mozilla based products, interestingly though flat review is 
possibly not the thing I would highlight although it sometimes is in 
firefox. I know webkit support is in development, however it still has a bit 
to go and it doesn't solve the email problem.

Then there are possibly the more general platform issues, some of the bugs 
which have come in since gnome 3, eg. the problem with new windows not 
having the focused control shown by orca until a focus changed event happens 
(actually I am not sure if its focus changed because just going into the 
menu does not seem to resolve it). Some of these are small but just add to a 
general feeling of clumbsiness when using the system. Then there are 
non-accessibility issues such as the push to pulseaudio which just tends to 
make me feel like I am fighting the system to get something which is 
workable and is particularly a problem when I want to have sound both from 
gnome and when I am in a text console with speakup, which probably is very 
likely due to my feelings about thunderbird and the only other viable 
alternatives for email seeming to be text based clients.

I know the above sounds very negative, it has been a bit hard to say as in 
the past I have been very keen on Linux and was actively choosing it over 
some of the alternatives.

I will finish by saying, there are certainly some uses where Linux may be 
the right choice, however for core desktop activities I feel not.

Michael Whapples
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deedra Waters" <deedra the-brannons com>
To: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: [orca-list] my thoughts/decisions about orca


> I'll say this first, i'll still use orca on my linux machines, 
> however.....
>
> I don't see gnome and orca as a perminant solution for me.
>
> 1. firefox tends to puke on most majorly scripted websites. They say this 
> doesn't happen in windows so i dont understand why it happens in linux. 
> You can't use flat review in orca to look around the screens in firefox so 
> if you need to click on something, you're kind of screwed there unless you 
> get lucky.
>
> 2. thunderbird and orca seem to actually work well together. However. 
> again there seems to be issues with flat review and reading the screen.
>
> Oddly enough, these 2 things are things i ideally want working. Especially 
> considering websites are harder and harder to use with a browser that's 
> notIE or firefox.
>
> 3. terminal and orca seem to be generally annoying and ready to piss off a 
> cli user.
>
> So, my decisions, I'll still use linux boxes for things/services like 
> samba or nfs. Do i find it good for heavy use by someone who needs a good 
> browser email and openoffice? No i dont. Mac or windows for my desktop use 
> i suppose..


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