Re: [orca-list] [Fwd: Default button of Orca]

[Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>]

Hello,
Comments to different people on this.

I agree with Jacob that turning the main window off is usually one of 
the first things I do. I suppose I therefore would argue the preferences 
button is the best default option for me as it speeds that up (first 
time I use orca on a machine I just get on and customise it). Other 
things in this early steps would include customising the speech settings 
so it is comfortable for me to listen to the speech (eg. getting the 
correct speech rate). Changing it may just prove annoying to people like 
me as we would have to forget what we are used to, so I would say there 
should be a good case for changing it if the change is made.

I would dispute Jacob's analysis about what a default button is, there 
may be a slight conflict of terms here. Even if there is no default 
action in the main window, there must be a default position for focus 
when the window initially appears. Therefore what button should get this 
default focus?

Now to Alan's comments/request. I dispute how much use the orca help is 
in the context of what he describes the user needing. If the user needs 
information on how to navigate between controls and windows, what is 
there chance of being able to use the help system if they need that 
information? It sounds like they would need more of an interactive 
tutorial if they want to do that exploration on a Linux system. I 
possibly would argue basic things like that the user may have done 
better to read a resource covering those topics on a system they are 
familiar with before trying Linux.

Another point I will make is, if a user wants help, then they are a 
bit... for just pressing enter on a preferences button. As navigation of 
controls is done by tab/shift+tab which is the same as on windows and 
Mac then this seems a reasonable thing to try to explore available 
buttons should you be uncertain of keyboard commands.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> Hi
> Quite honestly, I don't see the reason to have a default button here. 
> There are only three controls in this window, and they are all 
> buttons. A default button is typically applied in a situation where 
> there are multiple control types relating to a specific task. 
> Personally, I don't use the orca main window and it's the first thing 
> I turn off, but if having the default button be preferences is too 
> confusing for some (though I don't see why it would be), why not just 
> get rid of the default altogether and require the user to specifically 
> activate the button they want?
>
>
> On 4/20/2011 03:03, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey all.
> >
> > Sorry to be a noodge, but I have a downstream request for us to change
> > the default button in Orca's main window. As I stated there, I
> > personally think that the default button in Orca's main window should
> > remain Preferences and not Help. But I'm willing to change that if
> > everyone thinks I should. The one thing I'd really like to avoid,
> > however, is different downstreams making different customizations. The
> > Orca user experience should be predictable and consistent. For both of
> > these reasons, feedback on this request -- either here or downstream --
> > would be appreciated. The downstream bug is here:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/749700
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > From: Alan Bell<alanbell ubuntu com>
> > > To: orca-list gnome org
> > > Subject: [orca-list] Default button of Orca
> > > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:19:44 +0100
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > When orca gets focus it reads out "orca screen reader slash magnifier
> > > frame preferences button" and pressing return leads you to a 
> > > complicated
> > > screen of options. My proposal would be to make the default button the
> > > help button so that pressing space or return might actually take you to
> > > some kind of information on how to use it, and would tell you about
> > > using the tab key to find other buttons and widgets and how to navigate
> > > between windows. etc.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Would changing the default button be disruptive for
> > > those who already know how to use Orca?
> > >
> > > Alan.
> > Thanks guys! Take care.
> > --joanie
> >
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