Re: [orca-list] Have an useful method to try Gnome-shell with Orca, and an interesting question

[Piñeiro <apinheiro igalia com>]

From: Hammer Attila <hammera pickup hu>

> Sorry my little possible offtopic message.
> I have got a testing Maverick system. Because in Ubuntu 11.04 is
> coming out with new Unity interface, but now yet don't no how works
> with accessibility in Unity in future, have an useful method to
> testing new GNOME-shell in my Maverick system with Orca git master
> version? Need this test now?
> Enough to using repository awailable gnome-shell package and little
> configuration? Awailable version in Maverick is 2.31.5-2.

Although in a slight better shape that unity, accessibility support on
gnome-shell is not here yet. Anyway, accessibility has been included
on gnome shell roadmap since months [7], so the accessibility support
is being implemented.

Right now Dan Winship is working on the keyboard navigation [1][2][3],
and there are some provisional patches to load the accessibility
modules [4] and to improve the current ATK support on the ST widgets
[5].

Using the loading module patch I was able to make a initial test of
orca with gnome shell [8], and some months later using the provisional
solutions on keyboard navigation, orca reacted more or less well to
this navigation, although further work would be required [9]

Sooo, right now there is no a quick and clean way to test gnome shell
with orca. As the patches were there for some time, my plan was create
a branch on gitorious with this patches, or create a PPA, just to get
some feedback from the users of this provisional patches.

But as there were a lot of changes on the keyboard navigation patches,
I decided that it is worth to wait, as probably this patches will be
finished soon.

> I have got an another question, with possible not real:
> When I read unity related articles, if I understanding right, if
> Compiz is not enabled, we get traditional GNOME panels, menues etc in
> 11.04 if this is not changing. But what happening for example the Orca
> tutorial messages general with distribution independent? I ask this,
> because if I known right in GNOME 3 the new interface will be GNOME
> Shell. For example, because now oldest GNOME releases the get system
> menu menu keybinding is standard (Alt+F1 key combination), have the
> following tutorial message with Orca since some years ago:
>  "To get to the system menus press the alt+f1 key."
> This is right, because this key combination is GNOME Standard with
> oldest GNOME releases and last stable release. What happening if Unity
> using different menu key in future to launch application menues, and
> GNOME Shell using general another key combination? Need patching Orca
> in Ubuntu to owerwrite the tutorial message?

GNOME Shell will not be only used on Ubuntu. But good question about
this. Probably orca tutorial should be re-edited so:

  1. If you are using GNOME 2 panel:
    "To get to the system menus press the alt+f1 key."
  2. If you are using GNOME Shell
    "To get to the overview press the alt-f1 key"
  3. If you are using Unity
    "To do <something> press the alt-f1 key"

> I newer see GNOME Shell development version with screen reader, so I
> don't no have in GNOME Shell similar menues with oldest applications,
> places and system menues?

I don't understand this question.

BR

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621671
[2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618885
[3] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618887
[4] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612599
[5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626658
[6] http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/GNOME3#GNOME_Shell
[7] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/RoadmapTwoThirtyOne
[8] http://blogs.igalia.com/apinheiro/2010/03/12/gnome-shell-starts-to-talk/
[9] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626660

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