Re: [orca-list] Orca and underline in openoffice

[Paul Hunt <huntp ukonline co uk>]

Hi,

Okay, yes, I see the problem.

If you control + right arrow to a word that begins some underlining, 
then type some characters, the chars you type will not be underlined.

Also, if you control + right arrow to a word after some underlining and 
then type, what you type will be underlined.

I think this is nuts personally but it's an OO thing, not an Orca thing.

And it does raise the question, as you say;

Should Orca tell you the state of the word you just landed on?  Or the 
state of what anything you type willl be?

I think the former, personally.

Paul

On 28/05/10 17:21, Michael Whapples wrote:
> I can confirm what you say about navigate by word although I think you 
> may be observing something else.
>
> Let me try and explain. When you land on the first word which is 
> underlined, the cursor is at the point just in front of the first 
> letter (will insert characters in front of the word). If you enter 
> text at this point will it be underlined. If no, then openoffice's 
> underline is off, but not for the character the cursor is next to. 
> When you get to the end, I assume the same theory applies, text you 
> insert will be underlined but the character the cursor point refers to 
> is not underlined. I think what you hear is the underline toggle 
> button in the toolbar. Why I think this is that the positioning of 
> where orca says underline on and underline off do not change in the 
> reverse direction.
>
> In a certain way what you hear is not wrong, orca is telling you what 
> the underline state is for if you were to enter text, which is exactly 
> what you need when writing.
>
> this raises the question whether my original expectation was correct 
> or not. I still feel Braille should note text has attributes. Now what 
> about speech? Is the behavior of reading underline status be for what 
> will be inserted or for the state of the character you are on? Should 
> there be multiple messages, "Start underline" and "End underline" when 
> referring to existing text and "underline on" and "underline off" when 
> referring to underline status for input. I would say in the case of 
> cursoring down onto a line speech should tell me where underlined text 
> begins and ends, the problem really comes when navigating the line 
> (reading the whole line is certainly review, navigating the line may 
> be either detailed review or editing).
>
> I think that's as much as I can say at the moment, discuss.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just had a quick play with this.
> >
> > Confirmed that Orca isn't announcing underlined text when you 
> > navigate by character or line.
> >
> > And that it is not being indicated in braille.
> >
> > However if you navigate via word (control + left and right) Orca is 
> > telling you about the underlined text.
> >
> > I have a problem with this however.  The message about the 
> > underlining being on or off is kicking in at the wrong time.
> >
> > If navigating to the right, the message about underlining being on is 
> > being spoken after the second word which is underlined.
> >
> > And if you continue past the underlined text, Orca doesn't say 
> > "underlined off" until after the second word which is not underlined.
> >
> > So, if I have the sentance
> >
> > this is a sentance to test if orca is announcing changes properly
> >
> > and I underline the words "test if orca is"
> >
> > I hear the following when control + right arrowing across it;
> >
> > this
> > is
> > a
> > sentance
> > to
> > test
> > if, underline on
> > orca
> > is
> > announcing
> > changes, underline off
> > properly
> >
> > Which makes it sound like the words "if orca is announcing" are the 
> > underlined words.
> >
> > Do you see this behaviour?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28/05/10 14:30, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I am trying to get orca to inform me about underline text in 
> > > openoffice writer, but I am not having great success in what I want 
> > > to achieve.
> > >
> > > I went to orca preferences and went to text attributes. I check the 
> > > boxes in the table for speech and braille for underline and go to 
> > > OK. Now when I open a document with underlined text I find that orca 
> > > doesn't announce the underline when reading the line (and the 
> > > braille indication isn't there although I set that to dot-8). Now if 
> > > I cursor to the character which should be underlined and press 
> > > orca+f I do hear that it is underlined.
> > >
> > > My problem with the above behavior is that I must be aware that 
> > > underline might be used, hence why I want orca to announce it while 
> > > reading. I am slightly confused why Braille isn't showing this, if I 
> > > mispell a word in this email I get dot8 under each character of the 
> > > word.
> > >
> > > Any help would be useful.
> > >
> > > Michael Whapples
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