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Re: [orca-list] What distro would people like me to cover in some audio walkthroughs

Hi Michael,
Thanks very much for this info! Now running latest gnome!
Ash
Check out my website:
http://www.ashleycox.co.uk/
And the AC tech podcast:
http://www.bavis.co.uk/theactechpodcast/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com> 
To: "ashley" <ash cox talktalk net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] What distro would people like me to cover in some audio walkthroughs 



Hello,
Regarding your comment on installing the latest gnome on ArchLinux, what
quite do you mean, do yu mean using gnome from the gnome-unstable repo,
or do you mean making a git build of gnome? The first option shouldn't
be hard. It depends whether you want the gnome-unstable stuff over gnome
stable by default.

* Option 1, gnome stable by default and unstable packages on demand: add
to the end of your /etc/pacman.conf file the following lines,
[gnome-unstable]
include = /etc/pacman.d/mirror.list

Now run pacman -Sy to update the local database with the new repository.
Now when you want a package specifically from gnome-unstable (eg. orca)
you can run the following command,
pacman -S gnome-unstable/orca

* Option 2, gnome unstable by default, stable on demand or when no gnome
unstable exists: I haven't tried this but I don't see why it wouldn't
work. Instead of putting the two lines for gnome-unstable at the end of
/etc/pacman.conf put them at the beginning and then run pacman -Sy to
update the local database. Now any packages from gnome should come from
gnome-unstable unless you request core, extra or community.

Michael Whapples
On 03/03/2010 07:32 AM, ashley wrote:

You could try mandriva; not sure if it's accessible though.

If you were going to cover arch, could you do a walkthrough on
installing latest gnome? This is something I want to do but can't
figure it out.
Thanks!
Ash
Check out my website:
http://www.ashleycox.co.uk/
And the AC tech podcast:
http://www.bavis.co.uk/theactechpodcast/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com>
To: "Steve Holmes" <steve holmes88 gmail com>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] What distro would people like me to cover in
some audio walkthroughs



Hello again,

Thanks to all those who have responded, it could be a few days before I
actually start recording anything so for those not yet responded its not
too late to suggest anything.

I think that at the moment ArchLinux is gaining the vote (I will speak
to some of my mathematically inclined friends and see how many answers
they can come up with by using statistics). ArchLinux certainly is
viewed favourably by me, some of its design is so nice, order of
checking repositories for packages but you can tell pacman use a
particular repository if you want a specific package (eg. ArchLinux has
a gnome-unstable repository, put this after core, extra and community,
then if you request a gnome package it will be from the main (I guess
stable) repositories, but you can ask pacman for gnome-unstable/orca and
get the current 2.29.x package), the way you define daemons to run and
modules to be loaded, etc. Only if it had a feature like OpenSolaris's
BEs and how they are integrated, I would be very happy, but I don't
think that will happen as it sort of goes against the ArchLinux way as
it ties together certain components (beadm takes the snapshot and
updates the boot loader accordingly, so depends on a certain file system
and certain boot loader).

Also there seems to have been a number of calls for using LXDE, I must
admit I hadn't considered it to this point, may be I should. Thinking of
doing things different, I have recently tried out OSS4, very good,
possibly a way forward but may be not for the audio walkthroughs, I
really want to focus on using the system.

As for why not the talking ArchLinux CD, numerous reasons.
1. On my system it comes up talking very loud, you must log in first
before you can turn it down. GRML you can tell it the volume on the boot
prompt eg. my boot line looks like
grml swspeak vol=65
2. Would it be easier to use the arch CD, may be I am unqualified to say
the answer I am going to give as I haven't done a complete install from
it, but I would say GRML to install ArchLinux isn't hard and possibly
more accessible. Reason, the arch installer uses menus, speakup doesn't
work perfect with them, using GRML you use a statically linked version
of pacman and edit text files and other basic command line things. No
accessibility issues.
3. Extra things on GRML. GRML has some rather nice apps eg. grml-network
for configuring your network connection, a whole bundle of sysadmin
tools, etc for you to prepare your system, other tools like browsers,
etc for reading documentation during the install process, etc. I just
like GRML as a LiveCD.
4. GRML can accept any other debian packages to be installed on a
running live system. As an example I tried installing voxin into a live
environment of GRML, it worked fine. Also I am tempted to convert the
pacman packages you need to use for installing ArchLinux into debian
format and then you would just need to install those rather than the
current, download, untar, move files to the right places, etc.

I am sure that others could think of other reasons. Also I am not saying
that the talking ArchLinux CD isn't worth while, its sometimes good to
have the alternatives (one clear advantage of the talking ArchLinux CD
is its much smaller than GRML, so good for those on limited bandwidth).

Michael Whapples
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

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I also like or should I say vote for Arch.  Sure, I'm biessed towards
Arch because that's the system I'm running but I also like the
build-up nature and the concept of rolling updates.  The rolling
updates might sound too much like Debian Unstable to some but
surprisingly, the production Arch system proves to be quite stable.

I also think you should use the Talking Arch installer as you would
then have the necessary Arch package utilities (pacman) available to
perform the install directly.  As for packages, yes there are packages
a plenty and when you get a bit more familiar with how Arch works,
there's the AUR (Arch User Repository) where you can get practically
thousands of build scripts to create your own packages of many popular
apps that just don't make it into the main line distro.  These
additional packages are *NOT* necessary for a new install of Arch
Linux with Gnome/Orca and of course, Speakup.
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