Re: [orca-list] What distro would people like me to cover in some audio walkthroughs
- From: Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com>
- To: Orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: [orca-list] What distro would people like me to cover in some audio walkthroughs
- Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:13:05 -0500
Hi,
I would like to cast my vote for Arch. But I would also like to suggest that you use the basic speakup enabled cd, and install LXDE as the desktop instead of Gnome. It would be great to have another desktop alternative. I love Gnome for a fast computer, but on older slower systems, or even for netbooks, it would be great to have a slightly lower memory requirement.
I used to agree with you about the creating a seperate disability distro. But the way Vinux is done, it is actually very helpful to main stream distros like Ubuntu. A lot of the fixes that make Vinux great have been ported back to Ubuntu for one, and I know that other distros use bug fixes from Ubuntu, so it's a cascading effect. that being said, I don't think Vinux really needs an audio walkthrough because it is designed to be accessible from the start, and easy to use.
So, there is my vote. Thanks.
Storm
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 15:25 +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
Hello,
As my GRML install has become old I think its time for some new audio
walkthroughs from me. I have to say after some use of GRML on HD I don't
know whether I would advise it for HD installations (NOTE: GRML is an
excellent liveCD and I would recommend it for text based LiveCD work eg.
system recovery, etc). In fact look at my comments on ArchLinux for an
interesting use I may put GRML to.
This means I am now looking at what other distribution to use for the
audio walkthroughs. Has anyone any suggestions of which they would like
to be done. Below you will find some notes on what I have looked at and
views, etc, I would suggest reading that before suggesting a distro to
be covered.
I thought I had managed to reach a decision on what distribution I would
use for some orca audio walkthroughs but hit a bit of a unexpected
problem with installing fedora from the liveCD, the "first boot"
application which is certainly inaccessible with no obvious work around
(NOTE: the speakup modified fedora won't do, I will be installing it on
a system already with windows XP on the disk and the text installer
would clear the whole disk).
An alternative I had been considering is OpenSolaris, regardless of my
view of oracle there currently is a technical show stopper for me with
it as on the computer I intend to use X won't start on the latest
development builds (I suspect its the intel graphics issues which were
introduced around b130). I believe they intend to fix the issue with
intel graphics by the release, however that's getting quite close. If it
can be fixed by the release then it is back in the list of choices.
Another one I have given serious consideration is ArchLinux. This takes
a very different approach to the others I am considering, although it
probably fits better with my personal views, build up the system the way
you want rather than rip apart a large default system and fight it to
work the way you want. While I like build it up approaches, I am
concerned whether it works for a audio walkthrough as the system can
have so many possible configurations. My other concern is how well
supported ArchLinux is, by this I mean third party software (an example
would be skype don't make a package for it, but this skype example
doesn't work fully as there are skype packages in the community
repository). Actually that skype example probably demonstrates that my
concern may not be real, there seems to be enough software in the
repositories for most (if not all) general desktop usage.
To install ArchLinux I probably will do an install using the GRML
LiveCD, yes its possible, reason why, its a more full system to be
working with while installing (eg. nice handy applications like
grml-network to configure your network, etc).
Now for the distros I ruled out fairly early on:
* OpenSuse: They seem to go their own way for things with no clear
reason (eg. SBL instead of brltty (SBL lacks for me as it doesn't seem
to support USB Braille displays whereas brltty has had support for USB
for years), gnome's menus (why do they make that odd menu/application to
replace the standard gnome ones, it just makes it unfamiliar), etc).
* Debian: I am saying this a bit reluctantly, but essentially the
problem seems to be stable too old, testing and unstable too unreliable
for the step by step nature of an audio walkthrough.
* Ubuntu: Just don't like it, too many reasons really to list.
* Slackware: While installation can be done with speakup, there is no
software speech option for install and I don't have the resources to
provide an espeakup enabled slackware install CD. Also possible issues
with installing gnome as you need a third party gnome distribution but
this is minor compared to the install issue.
* Gentoo: While a nice idea the compile from source thing gets to you
after a time, too slow to install/upgrade packages for little gain in
running the system.
* Vinux: Don't really believe in the idea of specially developed
systems, I am sure that accessibility can be well integrated into
mainstream distros (OpenSolaris is an example where it has been done
well). I believe the route of educating on accessibility is better in
the long term, if distros don't know about the accessibility concerns
they may do something which makes your adapting task much harder in the
future without even realising the impact of their decision.
OK, enough from me, now for your suggestions.
Michael Whapples
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