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Re: [orca-list] Making Ubuntu Software Center accessible

True, this is not the end of the world, but I can't tell you how often I've
tried to search for the exact sequence of magic keys to be pressed in order
to get the installer to start talking.  Not easy to find (or do).

But here is another great example of how accessibility could be made simple
with little effort.  You may not want to have the installer start talking
automatically (although I don't see the downside of this since sighted folks
can either listen or quickly turn it off) - A very easy solution would be to
have a single and unique hotkey to start the talking installer.  If the next
dialog that came up was a list box which just spoke "hit enter for English",
"hit enter for German", etc. as one arrowed down the list then the blind
user of any language could do it themselves.

Why make things complicated?  I can certainly understand not making some
apps accessible if either one doesn't know what to do or if there is a w
hole lot of work to retrofit or develop an accessible app.

Sometimes just a little thought - Close your eyes and think of how someone
who can't see the screen would perform the task.

Maybe we just need to think of a few simple ideas like this that could
improve the situation.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Making Ubuntu Software Center accessible

I agree about package management, but what you can't do is to make the
system talk from the very beginning, because not everyone needs the system
to talk. In Mac OS X, one needs to know how to turn on the screen reader.
And that's more or less what one needs to do to install Ubuntu. It is true
that maybe finding a way of enabling accessibility without having to press
enter, f5, 3, enter enter would be convenient (I.E. not so many keystrokes)
but it's really not the end of the world. Windows users can't install
windows at all, and they actually need to install their screen reader before
doing anything productive with their computer.
On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Peter Torpey wrote:


It seems to me one of the big frustrations with Ubuntu is that these
important tasks are not easily accessible for the blind user.

It should be an easy and straightforward task for a blind person to at

least

install the OS without having to search around for documentation and hints
on what magic sequence of keys to hit before anything starts talking at

all.

After all, if one can't even install the OS, the rest of the questions are
irrelevant!

Also, installing/updating packages is a key task that one needs to keep on
top of since fixes and upgrades are constantly coming down the pipe.

Again,

if the blind user can't easily perform these common tasks, this is just

one

more hurdle that will prevent them from using the system and errors will
occur if one has to make modifications by hand in order to perform these
tasks.

In summary, this system would be a lot more friendly to blind users if:
1.  The install CD came up talking immediately without the user having to
guess at where they are or what key sequences need to be pressed to get
things going, and, 2.  The updating of packages should be as

straightforward

for the blind user as it is for the sighted user.  One shouldn't need
additional modifications to perform these key tasks that require Su
permissions.

--Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:17 AM
To: orca-list gnome org; ubuntu
Subject: [orca-list] Making Ubuntu Software Center accessible

Since Karmic, Ubuntu has not had a decent accessible software installer.
Since Ubuntu has gone with a new "Ubuntu Software Center", it may make

sense

to work on making that accessible.  Is this already in the works?  Is that
the right place to put effort, or should we have blind users install the

old

gnome-app-installer?

Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:17 AM
To: orca-list gnome org; ubuntu
Subject: [orca-list] Making Ubuntu Software Center accessible

Since Karmic, Ubuntu has not had a decent accessible software
installer.  Since Ubuntu has gone with a new "Ubuntu Software Center",
it may make sense to work on making that accessible.  Is this already
in the works?  Is that the right place to put effort, or should we
have blind users install the old gnome-app-installer?

Bill
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