Re: [orca-list] Some of my thoughts about what has been difficult for getting into orca development and orca scripting

["Alex H." <linuxx64 bashsh gmail com>]

Add me in for testing as well. I too would be interested in getting
beeping progress bars in Orca.

Take care,

Alex

On 4/3/10, Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com> wrote:
> Hi,
> If you get the progress beeps working I would be more than willing to
> help with testing. Just send the code and instructions on how to add it.
> I have wanted progress bar beeps every sense I started using Orca in
> 2007. It will be absolutely awesome to finally get my wish. Also, just
> let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
> Thanks
> Storm
>
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> On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 14:50 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>
> > Hey Michael.
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 21:33 +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> >
> > > Thinking about features I might like to see added which are a definite
> > > goal, two spring to mind. One being supporting MathML in firefox (I
> > > think far too ambitious to start with).
> >
> > Whether or not it winds up being far too ambitious to start with is
> > something I'm not sure of. The problem you'll run up against currently
> > is lack of Gecko support for it.
> >
> > You may be aware of this Orca RFE:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526436
> > ("[blocked] Orca should provide access to MathML content in Firefox")
> >
> > The Mozilla bug which is blocking us is here:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427330
> > (MathML objects exposed as "dead" accessibles via at-spi)
> >
> > It's a couple of years old now. Since you have an interest in seeing
> > this implemented, perhaps it would be of use to ping the Mozilla guys on
> > the Mozilla bug and start a dialog about how to implement a solution
> > which, in turn, would make it possible for us to handle it within Orca.
> >
> > >  The other is having progress
> > > bars giving increasing tones as they get to higher percentages like in
> > > NVDA. Now looking at those, guess the second is easier, partly I have an
> > >
> > > idea what would be needed, something to listen for progress bar changed
> > > events (whatever the actual at-spi name is for it) and then depending on
> > >
> > > a setting in orca putting out a tone through something like gstreamer (I
> > >
> > > have some of the ideas used in gstreamer understood and as its a gnome
> > > framework it seems sensible to use).
> >
> > As I recall, Rui Batista has done some work in this area. I'm hoping
> > he'll chime in.
> >
> > >  One bit I don't quite know is how
> > > to define a setting for orca and eventually that setting should be shown
> > >
> > > in orca preferences. May be nudge me in the right direction here, does
> > > this sound good for starting thoughts, or should I look at even simpler
> > > tasks than the audio for progress bar changes?
> >
> > In terms of making things bite sized, it might be worth tackling them as
> > separate problems:
> >
> > 1. Implement sound for progress bars (we won't actually check that in
> > without a setting, but it doesn't *need* to have a setting for you to
> > get this feature working.)
> >
> > 2. Add a setting.
> >
> > The way we do settings within Orca at the moment is less than ideal, and
> > largely the result of the Orca team's lacking profound insight (and/or
> > psychic ability) in the early days into what all we'd need to implement
> > settings-wize to meet user requirements. So it got built up as we went.
> >
> > A while back, I started looking at moving everything to gconf. But gconf
> > is being deprecated by the GNOME community. So had we gone that route,
> > we'd be forced to make (another) switch/move in our settings. Because we
> > didn't, the broader community simply frowns at us for rolling our own
> > settings handling. <grin> My intent is to address this after the GNOME
> > community completes the gconf deprecation.
> >
> > I will add the writing of documentation related to how to add a new
> > setting within Orca to my to-do list. In the meantime, here is an
> > example commit that Attila did to add the option to have Orca speak the
> > position of an object (e.g. within a list or group):
> >
> > http://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/commit/?id=3a39a802476a741e3341e36cedfbb2f3e3fc2aca
> >
> > HTH. Take care.
> > --joanie
> >
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