Re: [orca-list] Some of my thoughts about what has been difficult for getting into orca development and orca scripting

[Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com>]

Hi,
If you get the progress beeps working I would be more than willing to help with testing. Just send the code and instructions on how to add it. I have wanted progress bar beeps every sense I started using Orca in 2007. It will be absolutely awesome to finally get my wish. Also, just let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
Thanks
Storm

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On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 14:50 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Michael.
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 21:33 +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
>
> > Thinking about features I might like to see added which are a definite 
> > goal, two spring to mind. One being supporting MathML in firefox (I 
> > think far too ambitious to start with).
>
> Whether or not it winds up being far too ambitious to start with is
> something I'm not sure of. The problem you'll run up against currently
> is lack of Gecko support for it.
>
> You may be aware of this Orca RFE:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526436
> ("[blocked] Orca should provide access to MathML content in Firefox")
>
> The Mozilla bug which is blocking us is here:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427330
> (MathML objects exposed as "dead" accessibles via at-spi)
>
> It's a couple of years old now. Since you have an interest in seeing
> this implemented, perhaps it would be of use to ping the Mozilla guys on
> the Mozilla bug and start a dialog about how to implement a solution
> which, in turn, would make it possible for us to handle it within Orca.
>
> >  The other is having progress 
> > bars giving increasing tones as they get to higher percentages like in 
> > NVDA. Now looking at those, guess the second is easier, partly I have an 
> > idea what would be needed, something to listen for progress bar changed 
> > events (whatever the actual at-spi name is for it) and then depending on 
> > a setting in orca putting out a tone through something like gstreamer (I 
> > have some of the ideas used in gstreamer understood and as its a gnome 
> > framework it seems sensible to use).
>
> As I recall, Rui Batista has done some work in this area. I'm hoping
> he'll chime in.
>
> >  One bit I don't quite know is how 
> > to define a setting for orca and eventually that setting should be shown 
> > in orca preferences. May be nudge me in the right direction here, does 
> > this sound good for starting thoughts, or should I look at even simpler 
> > tasks than the audio for progress bar changes?
>
> In terms of making things bite sized, it might be worth tackling them as
> separate problems:
>
> 1. Implement sound for progress bars (we won't actually check that in
> without a setting, but it doesn't *need* to have a setting for you to
> get this feature working.)
>
> 2. Add a setting.
>
> The way we do settings within Orca at the moment is less than ideal, and
> largely the result of the Orca team's lacking profound insight (and/or
> psychic ability) in the early days into what all we'd need to implement
> settings-wize to meet user requirements. So it got built up as we went.
>
> A while back, I started looking at moving everything to gconf. But gconf
> is being deprecated by the GNOME community. So had we gone that route,
> we'd be forced to make (another) switch/move in our settings. Because we
> didn't, the broader community simply frowns at us for rolling our own
> settings handling. <grin> My intent is to address this after the GNOME
> community completes the gconf deprecation.
>
> I will add the writing of documentation related to how to add a new
> setting within Orca to my to-do list. In the meantime, here is an
> example commit that Attila did to add the option to have Orca speak the
> position of an object (e.g. within a list or group):
>
> http://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/commit/?id=3a39a802476a741e3341e36cedfbb2f3e3fc2aca
>
> HTH. Take care.
> --joanie
>
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