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Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1

Hi,

I'll give this a try later. I'm currently working on a Windows box.
Are you getting a message from Orca (either spoken or Brailled) indicating that there are unfocused dialogs opened? For instance, I remember hearing "one unfocused dialog" when the Preferences dialog opened. 

Mozilla may have fixed the problem and I just jumped to a conclusion... :-)

dave
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com> 
To: "orca" <Orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1
The difference when alt+f6 is pressed and when it isn't pressed is that orca doesn't seem to recognise that the dialog has got focus. By this I mean until alt+f6 (or alt+tabbing seems to work as well) orca doesn't speak or braille anything even though the dialog has focus and actions may be performed on it. As soon as alt+f6 (or alt+tabbing to it) orca then starts behaving as you would expect. To illustrate what I am finding (which I feel proves to me that the dialog boxes do actually have focus) try the following: Open the preferences dialog (I am doing it through the edit menu) and then alt+tab until you get the preferences dialog box being spoken by orca. Take a note of which item in the treeview is selected (in my case privacy). Press shift+tab to get to the close button and then press space. Now open the preferences dialog again (do not alt+f6 or alt+tab). Press the down cursor and then press shift+tab and press space (this should perform the operation of changing the selected item in the treeview (to attachments for me) and then moves you to the close button and space activates the close button). Orca did not speak or braille anything in that previous set of actions until space had been pressed and the main window regains focus. Now open the preferences again, alt+tab to get the preferences dialog to be spoken by orca, observe how the item selected in the treeview is now the item below the last time you had orca speaking in the preferences dialog, this indicates to me that when we did those actions when orca did not know about the preferences dialog must have actually been operating on the preferences dialog. This means that somewhere orca is not being told about this focus or orca is not responding to the focus event. 

Michael Whapples

On 15/01/09 16:17, David E. Price wrote:

Hi,
I don't remember which version these problems began with, but they were definitely development versions. For instance, I am currently using Thunderbird 3.0b2pre.
When you press Alt-F6, does that make the dialog box readable? Can you navigate it with speech/Braille? That would provide a useful clue for debugging... i.e., what happens when Alt-F6 is pressed that doesn't happen when the dialog is created. Just a suggestion. 

dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com>
To: "orca" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1



Hello,
Doesn't quite sound like what I was describing, there is no dialog box which isn't getting focus, the dialog is certainly in focus as doing actions with the keyboard lead to the results I would expect if the dialog is in focus (eg. pressing space to activate the send but in the send confirmation dialog, or pressing shift+tab and then space in the same dialog). It seems either the focus isn't being reported to orca or orca is not responding to the report of the focus. All that pressing alt+f6 in my case does is make orca actually report the focus, as I said if you know the dialog and could perform the action without orca's feedback then you don't need to press alt+f6.
Also when you say the problem has been known for some months, what version does that relate to, thunderbird 3.0a3 did not show the problem. I haven't noticed it in firefox, may be its because I am using stable releases there (firefox 3.0.5), again what version of firefox is it meant to have started showing itself? 

Michael Whapples

On 23/12/42 20:59, David E. Price wrote:

<div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Hi,
This problem has been known for several months. It occurs in both Thunderbird and Firefox. I believe it was Hermann who filed a bug with Mozilla about this problem.
Also, pressing Alt-F6generally will get focus into the unfocused dialog box. 

dave
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com> 
To: "orca" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1




Hello,
I have filed a bug report for this, it can be found in the gnome bugzilla system as bug 567855. 

Michael Whapples

On 15/01/09 12:32, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote:

Hi Michael and all.
This is confirmed as described.
I've noticed that the dialog is read switching to another application pressing alt+tab and then pressing alt+tab again to return to the dialog, 

On 15-01-2009 10:26, Michael Whapples wrote:

Hello,
I have noticed that since I have updated to thunderbird 3.0b1 from thunderbird 3.0a3 orca doesn't seem to speak dialogs as they appear. Let me explain with an example. When I am writing a message and then press control+enter to send thunderbird comes up with a confirmation dialog asking whether I want to send the message. When using thunderbird 3.0a3 orca would speak the dialog when it appears (like it does for any other windo which appears). When using thunderbird 3.0b1 orca says nothing automatically, although I am quite sure that the dialog has appeared as I have pressed space (as send is the default button to get focus in the dialog) and yes the message does get sent. I believe the same behaviour is happening for other dialogs such as preferences.
I am using orca from SVN trunk. When I originally updated thunderbird I was using a slightly outdated one (orca -v said orca 2.25.4pre) but thinking that may be a later version of orca may have attended to this problem I updated to the latest trunk last night, but the problem still exists. 

Is this problem known? Do others observe this as well?

Michael Whapples
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