Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1

[Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>]

The difference when alt+f6 is pressed and when it isn't pressed is that 
orca doesn't seem to recognise that the dialog has got focus. By this I 
mean until alt+f6 (or alt+tabbing seems to work as well) orca doesn't 
speak or braille anything even though the dialog has focus and actions 
may be performed on it. As soon as alt+f6 (or alt+tabbing to it) orca 
then starts behaving as you would expect. To illustrate what I am 
finding (which I feel proves to me that the dialog boxes do actually 
have focus) try the following:
Open the preferences dialog (I am doing it through the edit menu) and 
then alt+tab until you get the preferences dialog box being spoken by 
orca. Take a note of which item in the treeview is selected (in my case 
privacy). Press shift+tab to get to the close button and then press 
space. Now open the preferences dialog again (do not alt+f6 or alt+tab). 
Press the down cursor and then press shift+tab and press space (this 
should perform the operation of changing the selected item in the 
treeview (to attachments for me) and then moves you to the close button 
and space activates the close button). Orca did not speak or braille 
anything in that previous set of actions until space had been pressed 
and the main window regains focus. Now open the preferences again, 
alt+tab to get the preferences dialog to be spoken by orca, observe how 
the item selected in the treeview is now the item below the last time 
you had orca speaking in the preferences dialog, this indicates to me 
that when we did those actions when orca did not know about the 
preferences dialog must have actually been operating on the preferences 
dialog. This means that somewhere orca is not being told about this 
focus or orca is not responding to the focus event.

Michael Whapples

On 15/01/09 16:17, David E. Price wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't remember which version these problems began with, but they 
> were definitely development versions. For instance, I am currently 
> using Thunderbird 3.0b2pre.
>
> When you press Alt-F6, does that make the dialog box readable? Can you 
> navigate it with speech/Braille? That would provide a useful clue for 
> debugging... i.e., what happens when Alt-F6 is pressed that doesn't 
> happen when the dialog is created. Just a suggestion.
>
> dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com>
> To: "orca" <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1
>
>
> > Hello,
> > Doesn't quite sound like what I was describing, there is no dialog 
> > box which isn't getting focus, the dialog is certainly in focus as 
> > doing actions with the keyboard lead to the results I would expect if 
> > the dialog is in focus (eg. pressing space to activate the send but 
> > in the send confirmation dialog, or pressing shift+tab and then space 
> > in the same dialog). It seems either the focus isn't being reported 
> > to orca or orca is not responding to the report of the focus. All 
> > that pressing alt+f6 in my case does is make orca actually report the 
> > focus, as I said if you know the dialog and could perform the action 
> > without orca's feedback then you don't need to press alt+f6.
> >
> > Also when you say the problem has been known for some months, what 
> > version does that relate to, thunderbird 3.0a3 did not show the 
> > problem. I haven't noticed it in firefox, may be its because I am 
> > using stable releases there (firefox 3.0.5), again what version of 
> > firefox is it meant to have started showing itself?
> >
> > Michael Whapples
> >
> > On 23/12/42 20:59, David E. Price wrote:
> > > <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Hi,
> > >
> > > This problem has been known for several months.  It occurs in both 
> > > Thunderbird and Firefox. I believe it was Hermann who filed a bug 
> > > with Mozilla about this problem.
> > >
> > > Also, pressing Alt-F6generally will get focus into the unfocused 
> > > dialog box.
> > >
> > > dave
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" 
> > > <mwhapples aim com>
> > > To: "orca" <orca-list gnome org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible bug with orca and thunderbird 3.0b1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I have filed a bug report for this, it can be found in the gnome 
> > > > bugzilla system as bug 567855.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Whapples
> > > >
> > > > On 15/01/09 12:32, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote:
> > > > > Hi Michael and all.
> > > > > This is confirmed as described.
> > > > > I've noticed that the dialog is read switching to another 
> > > > > application pressing alt+tab and then pressing alt+tab again to 
> > > > > return to the dialog,
> > > > >
> > > > > On 15-01-2009 10:26, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > I have noticed that since I have updated to thunderbird 3.0b1 
> > > > > > from thunderbird 3.0a3 orca doesn't seem to speak dialogs as they 
> > > > > > appear. Let me explain with an example. When I am writing a 
> > > > > > message and then press control+enter to send thunderbird comes up 
> > > > > > with a confirmation dialog asking whether I want to send the 
> > > > > > message. When using thunderbird 3.0a3 orca would speak the dialog 
> > > > > > when it appears (like it does for any other windo which appears). 
> > > > > > When using thunderbird 3.0b1 orca says nothing automatically, 
> > > > > > although I am quite sure that the dialog has appeared as I have 
> > > > > > pressed space (as send is the default button to get focus in the 
> > > > > > dialog) and yes the message does get sent. I believe the same 
> > > > > > behaviour is happening for other dialogs such as preferences.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am using orca from SVN trunk. When I originally updated 
> > > > > > thunderbird I was using a slightly outdated one (orca -v said 
> > > > > > orca 2.25.4pre) but thinking that may be a later version of orca 
> > > > > > may have attended to this problem I updated to the latest trunk 
> > > > > > last night, but the problem still exists.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this problem known? Do others observe this as well?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Whapples
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