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Re: [orca-list] Gnome on Debian - Latest Version

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Well, I always heard Solaris was a robust system; after all, it's
Sun's implementation of Unix.  This does bring me to a couple
questions though.

If it turns out that I can't use OpenSolaris with my current sound
card, I wonder about modifying gnome-speech to work with serial
synths.  How easy would that be? what module would one work with to
accomplish this?  But if sound support doesn't work, I wouldn't be
able to use the other audio functions anyway so I'd probably give up
on that anyway.  Though I would like to add support for external
synths some day.  I would probably use speech dispatcher to do this.

If one wanted to build gnome from scratch, is there any documentation
that could make it as painless as possible? I mean, something like
Linux from Scratch; in this case, Gnome from Scratch?  That way, we
could keep up with the latest gnome stuff all we want without
conflicts with package configurations.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:10:51PM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good morning Steve,

I understand how you feel, but from what I've experienced Debian isn't  
really progressive with accessibility.  When asking if they would put  
gnome-accessibility on the Live CD I was pretty straightly told no.

I currently use Ubuntu 8.10, but for some reason I am not impressed.  If 
I can get OpenSolaris running in a VM I think I would be willing to put 
the time into learning that distro.

Thanks,
Everett

On 5-Feb-09, at 12:05 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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Well, if they intend to sit and watch gnome slide by then I might have
to reconsider continued use of Debian as a distro.  It appears they
are beginning to go down the same path Dropline-gnome does; release
something about once a year and lag far behind the rest of the time.
Again, I express my disappointment in this strategy.  Gee, maybe I
better go back to Slackware and find another gnome mini distro.  For
whatever reason, Ubuntu doesn't turn me on.  I could explore Fedorah
but I don't know about spending the time to go out and learn another
distro all over again.

Sorry for the whining about all this but lagging behind on fundimental
components like gnome can severely hurt accessibility and the on-going
development here.  I haven't seen a comprehensive guide to building
gnome from scratch thus far and from what I've seen of the gnome
architexture, it would appear to be a very daunting task indeed.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 08:59:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good morning Steve,

I was thinking the same thing about gnome 2.24 being in unstable or
experimental.  As I have discovered the unstable packages and
experimental packages are packages that debian intends to migrate to
stable.  So, if the debian gnome team isn't interested in working  
with
gnome 2.24 it won't appear even in experimental, because they do not
intend to move it to stable.

It will be interesting to see what happens with gnome in debian, but 
it
looks like it will be quite a while before it is included.

HTH,
Everett


On 5-Feb-09, at 8:49 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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That's really too bad too.  I gave up on dropline gnome last year
because they lagged so far behind.  I've been a slackware for many
years and generally loved it for its basic simplicity and ease at
getting under the hood so to speak.  So I went and tried Debian.  I
like its package management and dependency tracking and all but this
gnome thing really disappointments me.  You would think that going
unstable would get you the supposed latest versions but alas they  
are
sitting on what is now an older version of gnome.  I understand a  
lot
of our accessibility enhancements depend on having the latest gnome
version and Debian package managers who don't like 2.24 are holding
Deb users back in this regard.  I'm not in a mood to do yet another
re-install of linux to switch to Solarus or Ubuntu.  I would just  
hope
they get a move on with Debian and get gnome up to date.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 07:56:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good morning Steve,

I used to have an article written by the debian gnome package  
manager
eplaining why they haven't included 2.24 in their repositories, but
at
the moment I can't find it.

Suffice it to say that although some 2.24 packages are in
experimental,
gnome-core is not and may not be for some time.  It has something 
to
do
with the debian-gnome folks not liking some of the things that  
gnome
2.24
does with session management.  You could try building gnome 2.24
yourself, but that seems like an aweful lot of work that is  
certainly
going to be filled with a great deal of frustration.

HTH,
Everett


On 5-Feb-09, at 7:39 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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I'm doing that and have Orca-2.24.1, I believe, but the rest of
gnome
is still at 2.22.whatever.  That's the part I want to improve.

On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 03:48:43AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Good evening Steve,

I bbelieve that I was using Cid and pulled down Orca from
experimental
with no problems.

HTH,
Everett
On 5-Feb-09, at 3:21 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:


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Do any Debian users know if/when any levels of Debian will go to
gnome
later than 2.22.X? I just looked in the Packages listing for
unstable
and it still shows 2.22.5 or something.  It seems like Deb is
slipping
behind the other distros here.  Many other distros have 
been using
2.24 for months now.  Just wondering.  I understand going to
2.24 of
gnome may clear up some of the accessibility issues I'm  
having.  I
suppose I could try and pull gnome from experimental? Any  
ideas on
when Lenny will becom stable? I thought I heard that when that
does
that the other stuff can start moving again.
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