Re: [orca-list] Gnome on Debian - Latest Version

["E.J. Zufelt" <everett zufelt ca>]

Good morning Steve,

I understand how you feel, but from what I've experienced Debian isn't  
really progressive with accessibility.  When asking if they would put  
gnome-accessibility on the Live CD I was pretty straightly told no.

I currently use Ubuntu 8.10, but for some reason I am not impressed.   
If I can get OpenSolaris running in a VM I think I would be willing to  
put the time into learning that distro.

Thanks,
Everett

On 5-Feb-09, at 12:05 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

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> Well, if they intend to sit and watch gnome slide by then I might have
> to reconsider continued use of Debian as a distro.  It appears they
> are beginning to go down the same path Dropline-gnome does; release
> something about once a year and lag far behind the rest of the time.
> Again, I express my disappointment in this strategy.  Gee, maybe I
> better go back to Slackware and find another gnome mini distro.  For
> whatever reason, Ubuntu doesn't turn me on.  I could explore Fedorah
> but I don't know about spending the time to go out and learn another
> distro all over again.
>
> Sorry for the whining about all this but lagging behind on fundimental
> components like gnome can severely hurt accessibility and the on-going
> development here.  I haven't seen a comprehensive guide to building
> gnome from scratch thus far and from what I've seen of the gnome
> architexture, it would appear to be a very daunting task indeed.
>
> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 08:59:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> > Good morning Steve,
> >
> > I was thinking the same thing about gnome 2.24 being in unstable or
> > experimental.  As I have discovered the unstable packages and
> > experimental packages are packages that debian intends to migrate to
> > stable.  So, if the debian gnome team isn't interested in working  
> > with
> > gnome 2.24 it won't appear even in experimental, because they do not
> > intend to move it to stable.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see what happens with gnome in debian,  
> > but it
> > looks like it will be quite a while before it is included.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Everett
> >
> >
> > On 5-Feb-09, at 8:49 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > That's really too bad too.  I gave up on dropline gnome last year
> > > because they lagged so far behind.  I've been a slackware for many
> > > years and generally loved it for its basic simplicity and ease at
> > > getting under the hood so to speak.  So I went and tried Debian.  I
> > > like its package management and dependency tracking and all but this
> > > gnome thing really disappointments me.  You would think that going
> > > unstable would get you the supposed latest versions but alas they  
> > > are
> > > sitting on what is now an older version of gnome.  I understand a  
> > > lot
> > > of our accessibility enhancements depend on having the latest gnome
> > > version and Debian package managers who don't like 2.24 are holding
> > > Deb users back in this regard.  I'm not in a mood to do yet another
> > > re-install of linux to switch to Solarus or Ubuntu.  I would just  
> > > hope
> > > they get a move on with Debian and get gnome up to date.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 07:56:30AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> > > > Good morning Steve,
> > > >
> > > > I used to have an article written by the debian gnome package  
> > > > manager
> > > > eplaining why they haven't included 2.24 in their repositories, but
> > > > at
> > > > the moment I can't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Suffice it to say that although some 2.24 packages are in
> > > > experimental,
> > > > gnome-core is not and may not be for some time.  It has something  
> > > > to
> > > > do
> > > > with the debian-gnome folks not liking some of the things that  
> > > > gnome
> > > > 2.24
> > > > does with session management.  You could try building gnome 2.24
> > > > yourself, but that seems like an aweful lot of work that is  
> > > > certainly
> > > > going to be filled with a great deal of frustration.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > > Everett
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5-Feb-09, at 7:39 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > > > I'm doing that and have Orca-2.24.1, I believe, but the rest of
> > > > > gnome
> > > > > is still at 2.22.whatever.  That's the part I want to improve.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 03:48:43AM -0400, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> > > > > > Good evening Steve,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bbelieve that I was using Cid and pulled down Orca from
> > > > > > experimental
> > > > > > with no problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HTH,
> > > > > > Everett
> > > > > > On 5-Feb-09, at 3:21 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
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> > > > > > > Do any Debian users know if/when any levels of Debian will go to
> > > > > > > gnome
> > > > > > > later than 2.22.X? I just looked in the Packages listing for
> > > > > > > unstable
> > > > > > > and it still shows 2.22.5 or something.  It seems like Deb is
> > > > > > > slipping
> > > > > > > behind the other distros here.  Many other distros have been  
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > 2.24 for months now.  Just wondering.  I understand going to
> > > > > > > 2.24 of
> > > > > > > gnome may clear up some of the accessibility issues I'm  
> > > > > > > having.  I
> > > > > > > suppose I could try and pull gnome from experimental? Any  
> > > > > > > ideas on
> > > > > > > when Lenny will becom stable? I thought I heard that when that
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > that the other stuff can start moving again.
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