Re: [orca-list] Orca and flash content

[Jacob Schmude <j schmude gmail com>]

Hi
Swfdec isn't currently accessible, because you have to click on the flash object in order to play it and that 
object isn't exposed to the DOM tree in Firefox. Swfdec doesn't autoplay Flash content, so swfdec is working 
properly for you but you just can't use it with Orca.
It could be made accessible though, unlike Adobe flashplayer, which is why I mentioned it even though we 
can't currently use it at the moment. It does seem that swfdec is further along than gnash from what I've 
read about it.


On Dec 28, 2009, at 19:01, Michael Whapples wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions of alternatives, neither seem to work for the BBC iplayer (swfdec although being 
> recognised as flashplayer didn't autostart when I go to listen from the programme page and still appears 
> inaccessible, as for gnash, it wasn't seen to be there and I was requested to download flashplayer).
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Jacob Schmude wrote:
> > Hi
> > This, unfortunately, is mostly up to Adobe to implement and they've shown no desire to implement 
> > accessibility to Flash on platforms other than Windows nor even to improve what's already there in 
> > Windows. Given they only make a Linux version of Flash after the Windows and Mac releases, and they refuse 
> > to do any accessibility for the Mac platform flashplayer, I wouldn't hold my breath for them to expose 
> > Flash content to Firefox in Linux. Adobe are one of those companies that just do not give a hoot for 
> > accessibility.
> > The other possibility is that swfdec or gnash mature and, since they're open source, could be modified to 
> > do so. However, at the moment neither are really ready to handle most Flash-based sites very well. Still, 
> > if you want to see any kind of Flash accessibility at all I'd start with either swfdec or gnash 
> > implementing it, as Adobe doing so is about as likely as Microsoft putting a full screen reader into 
> > Windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2009, at 16:36, Michael Whapples wrote:
> >
> >   
> > > Hello,
> > > I've noticed this for some time but today it really got annoying for me so here I am asking the question. 
> > > Is there any accessible way of using flash content in firefox?
> > >
> > > As an example to the above, let's use what really annoyed me today. On the BBC Iplayer 
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer (which the BBC are too happy to state how accessible it is) all the content 
> > > now is in flash streams. For basic listening I have found that I can start the stream by going to the 
> > > programme's page and selecting the listen link on the page, but this requires extra navigation than it 
> > > should (I should be able to go to the iplayer home page, choose radio stations, choose the station, the 
> > > day and then the programme/episode and then activate a play button). OK, that is slightly inconvenient 
> > > but today whilst listening to a stream I was interrupted and was unable to pause the stream, navigate 
> > > back through the stream, etc and the only option seemed to be to continue until the end and start again 
> > > and there was quite a lot left to listen too. Hardly accessible in my mind.
> > >
> > > I am using debian, so the browser is iceweasel 3.5.6 (I am not sure what firefox version that relates to) 
> > > and I also have a package installed for the adobe flashplayer (I believe iceweasel is using flashplayer 
> > > but I can't be certain, any way to check). Is there anything which can be done to make such flash content 
> > > accessible?
> > >
> > > Michael Whapples
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