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Re: [orca-list] Orca-list Digest, Vol 47, Issue 59

Hi,


Glenn Ervin wrote
Also, it sounds like it is saying /speak after each action.



If your hear speak a number of times, I suspect that you have not installed the new speech dispatcher driver 
in Voxin 0.26.

This driver has been extended and will be proposed soon to the speech dispatcher list (the installed 
languages are displayed in the Orca menu, a new punctuation filter has been added and ssml support is 
enabled) .

Restart please the voxin-installer, and ask yes to the question 'do you want to install Orca with 
Speech-dispatcher'. 

Contact me in private for further discussion.

Best regards,
Gilles


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Today's Topics:

1.  IBM in Ubuntu 9.10 (Glenn Ervin)
2.  Orca and flash content (Michael Whapples)
3. Re:  Orca and flash content (Jacob Schmude)
4. Re:  IBM in Ubuntu 9.10 (Jacob Schmude)
5. Re:  Orca and flash content (Hammer Attila)
6. Re:  Orca and flash content (Jacob Schmude)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:48:16 -0600
From: "Glenn Ervin" <GlennErvin cableo
ne.net>

To: "Orca List" <orca-list

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Subject: [orca-list] IBM in Ubuntu 9.10

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Hi,
I installed Voxin Viavoice and the voice sounds like Microsoft Sam, despite


all the voice settings I try, the pitch is an option, but there are no

other 

voices to choose from.  Also, it sounds like it is saying /speak after each



action.

Does anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks.

Glenn 



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:36:07 +0000
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples a
im.com>

To: Orca-list g

nome.org

Subject: [orca-list] Orca and flash content

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Hello,
I've noticed this for some time but today it really got annoying for me


so here I am asking the question. Is there any accessible way of using



flash content in firefox?


As an example to the above, let's use what really annoyed me today. On


the BBC Iplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer (which the BBC are too



happy to state how accessible it is) all the content now is in flash 

streams. For basic listening I have found that I can start the stream by


going to the programme's page and selecting the listen link on the page,



but this requires extra navigation than it should (I should be able to



go to the iplayer home page, choose radio stations, choose the station,



the day and then the programme/episode and then activate a play button).



OK, that is slightly inconvenient but today whilst listening to a stream



I was interrupted and was unable to pause the stream, navigate back 

through the stream, etc and the only option seemed to be to continue 
until the end and start again and there was quite a lot left to listen


too. Hardly accessible in my mind.


I am using debian, so the browser is iceweasel 3.5.6 (I am not sure what


firefox version that relates to) and I also have a package installed for



the adobe flashplayer (I believe iceweasel is using flashplayer but I 

can't be certain, any way to check). Is there anything which can be done


to make such flash content accessible?


Michael Whapples


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:23:07 -0700
From: Jacob Schmude <j.schmude
@gmail.com>

To: orca-list <orca-list

@gnome.org>

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and flash content

Message-ID: <9051D87C-3C9B-4624-AFEF-61C1D791750D gmail com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi
This, unfortunately, is mostly up to Adobe to implement and they've shown
no desire to implement accessibility to Flash on platforms other than
Windows nor even to improve what's already there in Windows. Given they
only make a Linux version of Flash after the Windows and Mac releases, and
they refuse to do any accessibility for the Mac platform flashplayer, I
wouldn't hold my breath for them to expose Flash content to Firefox in
Linux. Adobe are one of those companies that just do not give a hoot for
accessibility.

The other possibility is that swfdec or gnash mature and, since they're

open source, could be modified to do so. However, at the moment neither are
really ready to handle most Flash-based sites very well. Still, if you want
to see any kind of Flash accessibility at all I'd start with either swfdec
or gnash implementing it, as Adobe doing so is about as likely as Microsoft
putting a full screen reader into Windows.


On Dec 27, 2009, at 16:36, Michael Whapples wrote:


Hello,
I've noticed this for some time but today it really

got annoying for me so here I am asking the question. Is there any
accessible way of using flash content in firefox?


As an example to the above, let's use what really

annoyed me today. On the BBC Iplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer (which the BBC are too
happy to state how accessible it is) all the content now is in flash
streams. For basic listening I have found that I can start the stream by
going to the programme's page and selecting the listen link on the page,
but this requires extra navigation than it should (I should be able to go
to the iplayer home page, choose radio stations, choose the station, the
day and then the programme/episode and then activate a play button). OK,
that is slightly inconvenient but today whilst listening to a stream I was
interrupted and was unable to pause the stream, navigate back through the
stream, etc and the only option seemed to be to continue until the end and
start again and there was quite a lot left to listen too. Hardly accessible
in my mind.


I am using debian, so the browser is iceweasel 3.5.6

(I am not sure what firefox version that relates to) and I also have a
package installed for the adobe flashplayer (I believe iceweasel is using
flashplayer but I can't be certain, any way to check). Is there anything
which can be done to make such flash content accessible?


Michael Whapples


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:27:06 -0700
From: Jacob Schmude <j.schmude
@gmail.com>

To: orca-list <orca-list

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] IBM in Ubuntu 9.10

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Hi
Did you compile a speech dispatcher module for ibmtts from the matching
speech dispatcher source in 9.10 or did you install the module from voxin?
If you installed that which comes with voxin, you need to remove it and
recompile the module yourself as there've been a lot of changes to speech
dispatcher in that time and that module will not work correctly
anymore.


On Dec 27, 2009, at 11:48, Glenn Ervin wrote:


Hi,
I installed Voxin Viavoice and the voice sounds like

Microsoft Sam, despite 
all the voice settings I try, the pitch is an
option, but there are no other 
voices to choose from.  Also, it sounds like it is
saying /speak after each 
action.

Does anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks.

Glenn 





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:24:39 +0100
From: Hammer Attila <hammera pic
kup.hu>

To: orca-list

@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and flash content

Message-ID: <4B3833
07 8040701 pickup hu>

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Hy List,

One possible workaround (but not solving all problems):
I using flash with flashblock firefox extension. Flashblock default 
block the flash contents with webpages, but present buttons with the 
webpages (the button text containing flash url), this is useful for 
example the flash content video sites with containing video streams. 
Structural navigation commands works very well with this extension. For


example, if I would like listen any stream with a flash containing 

webpages, I search the flash button with Capslock+Tab key combination,


and enough press enter key to activating flash.


Attila


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:24:17 -0700
From: Jacob Schmude <j.schmude
@gmail.com>

To: orca-list <orca-list

@gnome.org>

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and flash content

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That only shows you where the Flash stream is on the page and lets you
choose when to activate it. Controls within the Flash object still won't be
revealed once the Flash object is run.
On Dec 27, 2009, at 21:24, Hammer Attila wrote:


Hy List,

One possible workaround (but not solving all

problems):
I using flash with flashblock firefox extension.
Flashblock default block the flash contents with webpages, but present
buttons with the webpages (the button text containing flash url), this is
useful for example the flash content video sites with containing video
streams. Structural navigation commands works very well with this
extension. For example, if I would like listen any stream with a flash
containing webpages, I search the flash button with Capslock+Tab key
combination, and enough press enter key to activating flash.


Attila


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