Re: [orca-list] Orca out of the box

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Well and other distros are keeping current and to make them accessible
isn't really that difficult.  They might not be exactly "out of the
box" as such but damn close.  I'm thinking of distros like Arch Linux,
Debian, Vinux (designed with blind users in mind), Open Solaris, and
possibly others.  In fact, the Open Solaris projects do try and be out
of the box from what I've heard.  I got Arch Linux to come up with
Orca talking with no more effort than installing with speakup and
having a native text console pretty much out of the box and following
simple directions to get Orca talking after installing gnome from

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 04:45:59PM +0530, Krishnakant wrote:
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 08:24 +0000, Isaac Porat wrote:
Hello Arki and all
As this issue is related to Orca I reply to this thread but as the
mailing list  is dedicated mainly to Orca will not follow this further
beyond  this message.
I agree, this is some thing which Ubuntu-accessibility should take up
(and if Vinux people decide to do some thing to make their distro even
better with latest orca).
Orca in itself is not broken and hence not an issue.
Firstly Arki, I am not criticizing yourself or Luke I am sure you both
are committed to the accessibility cause. 
Unfortunately, anybody who follows the accessibility scene will be
aware that accessibility within Ubuntu is only a part time effort and
resulted now with completely speech broken Karmic distro certainly for
the typical  user who just want Orca and accessibility  to work rather
than struggle with configuration files, it does not work reliably for
most geeks either. 

Yes, infact I believe we will have to wait till 10.04 LTS as far as
Ubuntu or any latest distro for that matter for getting all the broken
things correctly.
I am right now very happy with orca 2.27.3 and ubuntu 9.04.
I understand that there are some major changes going on with both the
speach infrastructure in linux as well as the way we want to use
libraries such as atk or at-spi.
I am pritty sure that after the dbus work is stable, all the problems
will be sorted out.
I thus request all the people who love orca to be a bit patient and use
a stable distro.  Orca team is doing some real hard work, (if you don't
believe me then go check their timelines ).
Let's help them to help us.  Some vary good changes are coming up and
yes right now the accessibility structure in distros  like ubuntu 9.10
is broken.  But at the same time there are distros for example ubuntu
9.04 which work perfectly well and with some updates, such as openoffice
3.1, firefox 3.5 etc, we get top class accessibility.

Accessibility is not a glamorous field for developers to work in for
free.  We have seen on this list a number of offers over time as far
as I am aware very few have gone beyond good intentions; sadly this
situation is not likely to change.

Yes, but good people are still doing good work.
Thanks Wil, johan etc.

Orca made huge steps forward in recent times but this progress is held
now in this case by poor audio and speech infrastructure downstream. 

Exactly my point.

Canonical made fantastic job in making Linux for the first time
accessible to the masses on their desktop by making everything working
out of the box with minimal configuration and having to understand the
nuts and bolts of Linux,

This has also made a grat impact on the blind community's education and

Arki is already working with an organistaion in Karala (India) where
even I worked for setting up a project.

unfortunately this does not extend to accessibility with Karmic (the
underlying problems are there since the switch to PulseAudio  over a
year ago so it is not simply regression) and until Management are
committed to follow their bold accessibility statement on the web with
action I am afraid nothing will happen.  
   I know that there are geeks on this list who can build their system
from scratch and optimize it to work with Orca and the best that
accessibility has to offer but this will not bring free accessibility
to the masses.  

Yes, free software is painless for sighted people now and i see that
distros like ubuntu and fedora are extremly popular not just amongst
geeks but common computer users or casual net surffers etc.
So why should it not be equally painless for disabled?
I know that orca developers are taking a lot of hard work to realise
this vision and it is now upto the accessibility fokes in the respective
distros to see to it that they maintain the proper infrastructure.
happy hacking.

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