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Re: [orca-list] more than one blank space are not recognized in thunderbird

Hello,
I have a few thoughts:

* When reading by characters I certainly would prefer no breaking space.
* When orca is reading it as part of a flow of text (eg. reading the whole message) then I would prefer orca to treat it as a space to give better sense of the sentence.
Although I have said the above, I am very much of the opinion that this problem lies very much with the synths and/or the layers giving access to the synths (eg. gnome-speech and speech-dispatcher). As shown by the variety of different reports on output, I feel its too specific for something like orca to be attempting to resolve.
Also would speech synthesis markup language (ssml) http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis/ help here? 

Michael Whapples
On 13/08/09 20:38, Willie Walker wrote:
I opened http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591734 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 to track the two main problems associated with this.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 tracks the punctuation being spoken twice
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 tracks the no break space problem
They might be related in that a raw no-break space UTF-8 character is being sent to the synthesis engine, which might be interpreting it and speaking it as something else (e.g., a punctuation character). For now, I'm treating them as separate problems.
In any case, I can reproduce the no-break space problem and can resolve it. I cannot reproduce the dual punctuation problem.
My question for the list is whether Orca should speak "no break space" or "space" when it encounters a no-break space? In many applications, they appear identically on the screen. I believe OOo, however, shows them as gray boxes (though I also believe it exposes them via the AT-SPI as plain old space characters). 

So - what do you want?  "no break space", "space", something else?

Will

jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:

Running with eSpeak I got:
1. The prase is read correctly when reading all the document or reviewing by line.
2. If there is a word ended with a . and two blanks, the "." is read together with the word.
3. If I remove a blank after the "." and read the line again, the "." is not read. 

4. Reviewing char by char, the first blank is not announced

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On 08/13/2009 03:22 PM, Willie Walker wrote:

> I am running Ibm via voice as my primary synthesizer.
IBM ViaVoice has been somewhat problematic. Can you try eSpeak and see if you experience the same problem? 

Will

jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:

Hi Will,
No matter If I am composing messages in plain text format or HTML format. 

Also the same problem happens if I am reading a message.
Another observation is that if I am reading the entire message or reviewing by line, the word with more than 1 blankn after it is spelled instead of read. 
The following text:
" test test "
is read as:
" t e s t t e s t "

I am running Ibm via voice as my primary synthesizer.
Thanks.

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On 08/13/2009 02:44 PM, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi All:
When reproducing this problem, does it matter whether you are composing messages in plain text format or HTML format? 

Will

Michael Whapples wrote:

Hello,
Yes I find that too, however I didn't thing it was a bug, I thought it was related to the characters thunderbird uses when there are multiple spaces. In fact I have just confirmed what thunderbird uses by looking at the source for your message and I find the first two spaces in your example are inserted as non-breaking spaces (html character ). Now should orca announce those, if so add such a bug/request for it. 

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Paul Hunt wrote:

Confirmed.
In fact I didn't even need to create a new message. I got that problem when reviewing your message below. the first two spaces inbetween the words are not spoken (nothing is), only the third space is spoken. 

I have confirmed that this problem occurs when composing too.

Paul



On 13/08/09 11:15, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:

Hi all,
Probably this is related to thunderbird but I decided to report so that someone can confirm. 

To reproduce try the following:

1. Create a new message using thunderbird.

2. In the body of the message type the following text:
"This is a test"
Without the quotations.
You must type 3 (three) blanks between each word.

3. Try to review the text using the left and right keys.

Note that some spaces are not announced.
Thanks.







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