Re: [orca-list] more than one blank space are not recognized in thunderbird

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

I opened http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591734 and 
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 to track the two main 
problems associated with this.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 tracks the punctuation 
being spoken twice

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591724 tracks the no break 
space problem

They might be related in that a raw no-break space UTF-8 character is 
being sent to the synthesis engine, which might be interpreting it and 
speaking it as something else (e.g., a punctuation character).  For now, 
I'm treating them as separate problems.

In any case, I can reproduce the no-break space problem and can resolve 
it.  I cannot reproduce the dual punctuation problem.

My question for the list is whether Orca should speak "no break space" 
or "space" when it encounters a no-break space?  In many applications, 
they appear identically on the screen.  I believe OOo, however, shows 
them as gray boxes (though I also believe it exposes them via the AT-SPI 
as plain old space characters).

So - what do you want?  "no break space", "space", something else?

Will

jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:
> Running with eSpeak I got:
>
> 1. The prase is read correctly when reading all the document or 
> reviewing by line.
>
> 2. If there is a word ended with a . and two blanks, the "." is read 
> together with the word.
>
> 3. If I remove a blank after the "." and read the line again, the "." is 
> not read.
>
> 4. Reviewing char by char, the first blank is not announced
>
> []S Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza
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>
> On 08/13/2009 03:22 PM, Willie Walker wrote:
> > > I am running Ibm via voice as my primary synthesizer.
> >
> > IBM ViaVoice has been somewhat problematic.  Can you try eSpeak and 
> > see if you experience the same problem?
> >
> > Will
> >
> > jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:
> > > Hi Will,
> > > No matter If I am composing messages in plain text format or HTML 
> > > format.
> > >
> > > Also the same problem happens if I am reading a message.
> > >
> > > Another observation is that if I am reading the entire message or 
> > > reviewing by line, the word with more than 1 blankn after it is 
> > > spelled instead of read.
> > > The following text:
> > > " test test "
> > > is read as:
> > > " t e s t t e s t "
> > >
> > > I am running Ibm via voice as my primary synthesizer.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > []S Josà Vilmar EstÃcio de Souza
> > > http://www.informal.com.br
> > > Msn:vilmar informal com br Skype:jvilmar
> > > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jvesouza
> > > Phone: +55 21-2555-2650 Cel: +55 21-8868-0859
> > >
> > >
> > > On 08/13/2009 02:44 PM, Willie Walker wrote:
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > When reproducing this problem, does it matter whether you are 
> > > > composing messages in plain text format or HTML format?
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > > Michael Whapples wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > Yes I find that too, however I didn't thing it was a bug, I thought 
> > > > > it was related to the characters thunderbird uses when there are 
> > > > > multiple spaces. In fact I have just confirmed what thunderbird 
> > > > > uses by looking at the source for your message and I find the first 
> > > > > two spaces in your example are inserted as non-breaking spaces 
> > > > > (html character  ). Now should orca announce those, if so add 
> > > > > such a bug/request for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Whapples
> > > > > On -10/01/37 20:59, Paul Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > Confirmed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact I didn't even need to create a new message. I got that 
> > > > > > problem when reviewing your message below. the first two spaces 
> > > > > > inbetween the words are not spoken (nothing is), only the third 
> > > > > > space is spoken.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have confirmed that this problem occurs when composing too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 13/08/09 11:15, jose vilmar estacio de souza wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > Probably this is related to thunderbird but I decided to report 
> > > > > > > so that someone can confirm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To reproduce try the following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Create a new message using thunderbird.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. In the body of the message type the following text:
> > > > > > > "This is a test"
> > > > > > > Without the quotations.
> > > > > > > You must type 3 (three) blanks between each word.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. Try to review the text using the left and right keys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that some spaces are not announced.
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
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