Re: [orca-list] Emacs and Orca again

[John covici <covici ccs covici com>]

Is there any way to get emacs to work withOrca?  I thought it used gtk
-- at least I have the gentoo use flag checked, but if you launch
emacs from the run dialog, it does not work at all, and if you launch
it from gnome-terminal, it works somewhat, but Orca reads a lot of
extraneous stuff, and read all does not work.  I have not tried this
in a few months, so my information may be obsolete.  I have the latest
of both Orca and emacs, so if anyone knows what is going on I could
file a bug against emacs.

on Friday 08/07/2009 Bart Bunting(bart ursys com au) wrote
> Hi Peter,
>
> What I meant was that I used to launch emacs from a console with the DISPLAY
> environment variable set to :0.  The effect of this was that when I ran
> emacs the emacs window would appear on my gnome desktop even though I had
> launched it from tty1 or whatever.
>
> Doing it this way meant that orca and emacspeak would both function
> together.  I was able to use orca normaly and when I switched to the emacs
> window orca would simply say "emacs inaccessible" and emacspeak would take
> over.  
> I must add that if I launched emacs from the gnome run prompt (alt f2) or
> from a gnome-terminal it would hang orca and or emacs.  Although the effect
> appeared to effect orca more than emacs because when the emacs window had
> focus emacspeak would function normaly but when alt tabbing away orca would
> hang.
>
> Another effect is that if you launch emacs and do a few alt tabs or
> something nothing is spoken.  However if you then switch to a console and
> kill emacs there is a flurry of speech from orca sort of like it is now
> catching up.
>
> The current situation is that If I launch emacs from either the tty or from
> within gnome it hangs orca.
>
> I have also tried the daemon mode of emacs, that is the multi-tty support in
> emacs 23.  
>
> Something like "emacs --daemon" will launch emacs in daemon mode and then
> "emacsclient -c" from within gnome brings up an emacs window connected to
> the emacs daemon process.  I can report that launching emacs in this way
> still appears to have orca hang.
>
> Now I'm not sure if it is emacs, orca or the window manager that is to blame
> here.
>
> I'd really like to nail down who is at fault here so I can hassle the
> appropriate party to get a fix if at all possible.
>
> Any further insite would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Bart
>     
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Rayner
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: Rakesh arky Ambati
> Cc: Bart Bunting; orca-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs and Orca again
>
> Another datapoint on this.  First note that I'm using FC-10 which
> means gnome-2-24 and emacs-22.3, not exactly the latest and greatest.
> However:
> I usually run emacs/orca as Bart originally suggested:
> > Previously I had managed to get them to play together by starting emacs
> from
> > the console and exporting the DISPLAY variable.  For reasons unknown to me
> > this used to work around the issue of hangs in orca when emacs was started.
> > Now I've upgraded to Ubuntu Karmic and this no longer works.  
> -- Parenthetically I don't understand the relationship between this
> and Bart's next message:
> > The difference is that you are running emacs on a console tty.
> > What I am talking about is running emacs on the gnome desktop.
> Which is not what I understood from the first message but I digress.
> I usually
> boot to runlevel 3
> start emacspeak on virtual console 1
> switch to VC2
> login then run startx
> All proceeds happily until:
> For various reasons I need to restart the emacs on VC1
> then everything hangs.
> This happened even when I remembered to add the -nw flag to the
> emacspeak startup script.  Tentative conclusion: order seems to
> matter.
>
> I used to run emacs directly under sawfish rather than in
> gnome-terminal and that worked fine but was also years ago.
> Getting emacs back as a self-voicing application under orca would
> certainly be nice. Is the bad emacs/gnome interaction bug logged
> somewhere? The closest I see are the Ubuntu bugs 185366 and 183245
> which don't appear to have been resolved. 
> cheers
> Peter
>
>
>
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