Re: [orca-list] buffering

[aruni100 gmail com]

hi, I completely agree with you on this issue. the word hackers is very 
derogatory indeed. We must all try to cooperate as a community and not 
use this wonderful forum for scoring points over one another.
regards,
Aruni.
On 31/03/09 17:37, Jon wrotenderful
>    Dear Hermann/Krishnakant.
>
> PLEASE STOP
>
> You two have been going at each other for a while now, and it is
> unpleasant to see.
>
>
> Instead of arguing, please do something useful.
>
> Krishnakant:
> We are eagerly waiting for the user manual you are writing, because it
> will be useful to many newcomers.
> Also did you contact, or report bugs for evince so that we can track the
> progress of the accessibility on that front?
> I have been meaning to ask you to please stop refering to people as
> hackers for a long time, but never got round to doing so.
> just look up the definition of hacker, yes it does have several meanings,
> but the most recent interpretation is criminal. The meaning you refer to
> is now out of date. Hackers is now used derogatively. (to refer to
> non-professionals etc).
>
>
> Hermann:
> You have always been very good with tracking down and providing debug info
> for bugs, so please keep up the good work. I am sure you are able to find
> some new once.
>
> All:
> The point is that we all need each other, to go forward, so lets stop
> bickering and bating each other.
> Instead spend this time productively by contributing/improving
> accessibility.
> Everyones input is greatly welcome. Lets all push in the same direction.
>
> P.S. This reply is ment to be fare, please accept the  constructive
> criticism.
>
> -Jon
> On Tue 31/03/2009 at 15:36:19, Krishnakant wrote:
>    
> > On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 10:58 +0200, Hermann wrote:
> >      
> > > On 30.03.2009 at 20:27:59 Krishnakant<hackingkk gmail com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >        
> > > > I would just like to add one important tip.
> > > >
> > > > While certain seasoned practices sound very stable and have the tag of
> > > > being "well tested and experienced ", we must always welcome ideas which
> > > > sound better  but go against that long tradition.
> > > > Orca, we all know gets feedback from the best brains which any talking
> > > > software can really get.
> > > > This implies that the most stupid and the smartest person has equal say.
> > > >          
> > > Persons like me?
> > >
> > >        
> > hehe I don't see any reason why you call yourself stupid? *smile*
> >
> >      
> > > > Some times it happens that a so called stupid is not really so and her/
> > > > his idea may have not even clicked to we smart hackers and that's where
> > > > different approaches to solve the problem at hand comes up.
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > Oh, I'm very grateful to be understood by a "smart hacker", even if that
> > > happens only "sometimes".
> > >
> > >        
> > there will always be differences and the only thing expected is that it
> > does not turn into a personal attack and disrespect to that person.
> >
> >
> >      
> > > > I don't want to go in the debait of wether buffered approach is better
> > > > or non-buffered approach, but what ever the orca team decided has
> > > > yielded great results and I believe it also directly reflects on how
> > > > well a web page is designed with accessibility in mind.
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > What would you say, if that Orca team changes their minds?
> > >
> > >        
> > Orca team may change the mind depending on what the community decides
> > and after some proper research.
> > I will answer this personally when the orca team "changes its mind ".
> >      
> > > > I can just say that wili and the rest of the team has been as best as
> > > > they could be and the decisions on the approaches have not been just the
> > > > decisions of the "orca development team ", but the entire community
> > > > excluding some few exceptions.
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > I got the mmessage. But as always: The majority is silent, and the
> > > "prophets" think it is on their side.
> > >
> > >        
> > Arguements need proof, so if community is not on the "side " then dear
> > community please *speak up *.
> >
> >      
> > > > happy hacking.
> > > > Krishnakant.
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > BTW: Do you know what "hacking" means in Germany? To break into other
> > > peoples computer in order to steal data, such as passwords, bank account
> > > data etc.
> > >        
> > BTW, what you are refering is "cracking " and not "hacking ".  Hacking
> > is an art of inovatively creating a solution to a problem given the
> > constraints.
> >
> > So it is like breaking (hacking ) a problem into bits and then sorting
> > out the solution.
> > That's why hackers are hackers who solve problems and not "crackers "
> > who crack the security or code for a software etc.
> >
> > happy hacking.
> > Krishnakant.
> >
> >
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