Re: [orca-list] Another Suggestion for OpenOffice/Orca Improvement

["Krishnakant Mane" <hackingkk gmail com>]

On 18/05/2008, Marco Zehe <marco zehe googlemail com> wrote:
> Hi Hermann,
>
> Hermann wrote:
> > And BTW.: Would someone be so kind and explain to a completely
> > unenlightened person like me, why the use of Vim is "scientific"?
>
> Because you need a computer science degree and have to read at least one
> 500 page book to be able to use its most basic feature of editing text. :-)
No one would need that for using emacs with emacspeak.  the point was
not to say that vim is great or some thing.  i am more of an avid
emacs user although I have used openoffice too.
the point I was making is the fact that some non x related gui tools
are much superior and a scientific approach demands that more work is
done with less manipulation of keys.  and having some thing which can
do that is a better option.
emacs for example has superior editing features.  the vim examples of
deleting lines is another one. .
> In all seriousness: Vim has, in my opinion, the worst user interface
> I've ever encountered since I started using computers some 25 years ago.
except some features of vim, I too have same impressions however emacs
is the greatest tool and does have a scientific approach which saves a
lot of time once you learn it.
and it is not that difficult either.
> It does not conform to *any* common user patterns such as being able to
> insert, or overwrite, text once you have opened a text document. To
> quote one program that's often being said to have a very unfriendly user
> interface: Even WordStar let you do at least that.
>
> Vim will only let you navigate a text document, and you have to have at
> least a reference card handy somewhere that tells you what letters to
> press before it lets you insert text or change content.
well, switching between text mode and command mode is not a good idea.
 that's why I gave the example of emacs, which of course does a lot of
work in a well structured manner and with less efords.
> But I guess this all is a matter of what you grew up with. I do not have
> much trouble adapting to Emacs, because I used to use WordStar or
> WordPerfect during my DOS days. But Vim, without any indication, leaves
> one like me stranded in the middle of nowhere.
read my comments above.
> I hear, though, that OpenOffice is very extensible, so if someone wants
> to write a Vim keyboard interface to it, they can certainly do that.
vim won't be a good idea (not to start a vim vs emacs war here ).
but some thing to do with proper keyboard commands and presise setting
of cursor for editing would be very nice.
> Marco
happy hacking.
Kk
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