Re: [orca-list] Links List - firefox extension

[Michael Whapples <mwhapples aim com>]

Out of interest does the firevox plugin actually move caret around the
page or does it just move its own focus and then move focus to any
control which may get focus (eg. links, text boxes, etc)?

There probably is a lot which could be learnt from firevox for
progressing this stuff forward.

Michael Whapples
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 19:31 -0400, Rich Caloggero wrote:
> Will writes:
>
> > suppose someone wanted to write a
> > keyboard navigation extension for Firefox to do better handling of caret
> > and structural navigation than we can do in Orca.  Do you have an idea
> > of how difficult/complex this might be and do you know of someone that
> > might want to do it (and get paid for it)?
>
> Well, to some extent, FireVox implements this now:
> http://firevox.clcworld.net/
>
>   I haven't really used it extensively though, so don't know what its 
> shortcomings are.  However, it does not attempt to overload the arrow keys, 
> in fact it doesn't use them at all. I'd like to see smart use of arrow 
> keys - i.e. something that takes the best navigation from Orca and Jaws and 
> rolls them into one.
>
> I think the issues will be with the screen readers which use virtual 
> buffers - can we get them to move their point of regard consistently as we 
> shift mozilla's focus? I don't know. The rest seems pretty easy (famous last 
> words).
>
> I'd love to do this (and get paid), but I want to investigate a few things 
> before I really commit.  I'm currently reworking linkslist into 
> headingslist, which will include next/previous heading commands. This will 
> attempt to shift focus from heading to heading, so will give me a pretty 
> good idea of how screen readers deal with this.  Stay tuned...
>
> -- Rich
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM>
> To: "Hammer Attila" <hammera pickup hu>
> Cc: "orca-list" <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Links List - firefox extension
>
>
>
> > Rich:
> >
> > Yeah - thanks for taking the plunge on this and showing folks it's not
> > all that bad to do things "in process" in Firefox, and that it can be
> > much more performant than if we tried to do it in Orca.
> >
> > I have a question for you -- so, just suppose someone wanted to write a
> > keyboard navigation extension for Firefox to do better handling of caret
> > and structural navigation than we can do in Orca.  Do you have an idea
> > of how difficult/complex this might be and do you know of someone that
> > might want to do it (and get paid for it)?
> >
> > Will
> >
> > Hammer Attila wrote:
> > > Dear List!
> > >
> > > Rich, congratulation this extension!
> > > I am very happy because this function is easyest using links with
> > > Firefox and Orca.
> > > I have a little questions:
> > > How can I translate the extension message when pressing alt+shift+l
> > > combination with hungarian language? Ok and cancel button translated
> > > correctly because this buttons already translated.
> > >
> > > Later, I would like learn how can I write nicefuly accessible extensions
> > > with firefox and Orca. It is difficult? Have a good documentation how
> > > can I doing nice extensions?
> > >
> > > Possible doing lists of forms elements, headers etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Attila
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