Re: [orca-list] Orca with Power User File Managers in Norton Commander Style

[Steve Holmes <steve holmesgrown com>]

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I too am very disappointed in Nautilus's performance.  It takes over 3
whole minutes to open my home directory and Windows Explorer can open
up a directory of similar size almost immediately.  I have used mc,
the Midnight Commander from a standard linux console.  it can support
double panes side by side but when I have used that with Speakup, I
did have some issues tracking entries efficiently.  I am curious if
there are other file browsers out there for the Gnome desktop also.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 07:48:49PM +0300, Veli-Pekka TÃtilà wrote:
> i list, 
> At the risk of a rant, could anyone recommend a GTK2+ or console based
> Linux  equivalent of Xplorer 2 Pro that works with Orca?
>
> Xplorer isa Norton Commander like app for Windows available at:
>
> http://zabkat.com/
>
> As you know, the app has to be GTK+ 2 to be accessible. Would appreciate
> it  if people could test any alternatives they recommend using orca a
> bit:  moving around and seeing if tracking works. Surprisingly many apps
> fail  this, Rox Filer and on a side note Gvim, being unusable because of
> it  . As for file manager features from Xplorer 2 that would be the most
> important  to me, here are some: 
>
> First of all, the incremental typeahead searching of files from name or
> extenssion, and direct hotkeys to sort by columns like name, size, mod
> date  and extension. It is great getting spoken feedback after every key
> press of  a type ahead search in a list item  , in fact none of the
> Linux shell auto  complete schemes nor the searching that Nautilus use
> seem equally efficient  with speech. 
>
> In a tab auto complete, you cannot back out a whole dir level with a
> single  key and you are not read just the latest appended component on
> tabbing,  either. And in Nautilus I need to tab from the search field
> back to the list  to hear what the search found, which loses the real
> time feedback in  typeahead navigation. I also use bookmarks named with
> one or two letters loads in folder  navigation to common paths, in
> Xplorer that is. 
>
> Secondly, the responsiveness of Xplorer is great. It reacts fast in
> folders  I've been before recalling the focused item, and allows me to
> go through  lists of items while the list is populated. Contrast this to
> Nautilus whose  listing of /usr/bin drives me nuts with its slowness and
> I need to modally  wait for the whole thing to be populated, even if I'd
> know which subdir I'd  like to go to via typeahead searching, or merely
> wish to instantly start to  cursor through  individual items to slowly
> gain a big picture of what's out there. 
>
> The third thing that comes to mind is file viewing. I use the Sound
> Forge  style audio preview on focus lots, as well as on-demand views to
> detailed  data such as audio files by length and rate, viewing DLL
> descriptions or  comments of downloaded files, on the Win side.  The
> column sets of Nautilus,  in its details view, are quite limited
> compared to Xplorer, and it doesn't  let me switch sets by demand,
> either, or that's what I think. 
>
> Fourthly and finally about file operations, I use the file name wildcard
> patterns a lot with ctrl+h to avoid a costly linear list walk through
> with  speech, have transfers defaulting to robust for the ability to
> view transfer  speed and recover from errors, as well as making
> occasional use of two file  panes, and multiple tabs in them. No matter
> how many views I have, the file  manager should only take a single alt
> +tab entry, making the alt+tab list  shorter and more efficient to
> navigate. That's also a thing I appreciate in  Xplorer and many other
> alt file managers. 
>
> I do know there are loads of file managers for Linux. But Nautilus may
> be one of the few that's easily accessible  with Orca. Too bad it is not
> vfery power user oriented. I Thought the Linux GUIs would uphold
> PowerUser and keyboard chunky traditions. 
>
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