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Re: [orca-list] Run Vibuntu on USB with persistant storage!

I don't like to get involved in these potential inflamitory discussions, but I just have to this time: I totally agree with Ignasi's comments below (I won't repeat them). The last thing I want to do is to join yet another mailing list just to track this project. I've had a hell of a time getting ubuntu and orca to work well. I'm not stupid, but I'm no linux guru either. Personally, I don't have the time to continue messing around trying to get this stuff to work. If someone can build me a version of Ubuntu that just works (and really works - not sort of works) out of the box with Orca, then I'm all for it. Speech dispatcher, alsa, and orca with sys-admin apps should all work out of the box. From other's posts on this list, I'm not the only one that feels this way.
As Tomas suggested, I googled "crossposting" and the complaints against it amounted to "only do it if the topic your posting about is indeed interesting to more than one group or list". I'd say that the people on this list are interested in the project, so why not allow it.
As with many rules, this one was most likely first cast in stone when the internet was fairly new, computers were slow, and band width was expensive. This is not the case now, so perhaps the rule can be recast, or abandoned; it was useful at one time, but times do change. 

Just my two cents...
-- Rich
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra gmail com> To: "Anthony Sales" <tony sales rncb ac uk>; "Tomas Cerha" <cerha brailcom org> Cc: <ubuntu-accessibility lists ubuntu com>; <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>; <orca-list gnome org> 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Run Vibuntu on USB with persistant storage!
Honnestly I don't understand: if people don't want to read about Vibuntu, just delete any messages with Vibuntu on the subject line. It just seems natural that if someone is starting a project which might be of interest for some of us, he posts information about it on the mailing lists where he thinks people are going to read about it. Come on, this is not any kind of spam, and I don't see any bad intentions behind it. So as long as there aren't thousands of Vibuntu information messages every day, why do we have to argue about it? If Anthony posts this information on one of the lists only, people who are on an other list and might be interested won't get it. I know this sounds stupid and obvious, but not everyone is subscribed to three, four or five mailing lists. Even from the point of view of an extremely experienced user, I wouldn't be able to understand why we need to hate Vibuntu so much. In the end it's an unaltered version of Ubuntu which incorporates some of the changes that we all do to a new Ubuntu install before using it. And wether I am very skilled or not, I preffer to disable the authomatic login in Vibuntu than to configure Orca to read all those apps etc etc. And if Anthony finally gets Vibuntu to ship with Alsa instead of PulseAudio, and Speech-Dispatcher, why would I waste my time in configuring it if there is a distribution that ships with it? I think we can all help Vibuntu to be whatever we need it to be, and I think it can be pretty useful to anyone. Just my opinion, as always... I find this comunity is really great, but sometimes it seems like we just can't get over the fact that some of us know more about Linux than others, and have different needs than others etc. 

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Sales" <tony sales rncb ac uk> 
To: "Tomas Cerha" <cerha brailcom org>
Cc: <ubuntu-accessibility lists ubuntu com>; <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>; <orca-list gnome org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Run Vibuntu on USB with persistant storage!
I have been cross-posting because I presumed there would be some people who are only subscribed to one list, like I was at first (Ubuntu)until someone advised me to post on the Orca list, and then someone else asked me to post 
on Gnome, and since then someone has asked me to post on the Ally list as
well. Which list do people think it would be best to focus on: Ubuntu, Orca or Gnome. I suppose Ubuntu is the most relevant but there seems to be a lot more traffic on the other two lists, the Orca one particularly. Or is it just a few grumpy old men who disapprove of young whippersnappers like me babbling enthusiastically about their geekish obsessions? Can subscribers let me know what they think. The results will be based on a democratic vote, the judges decision is final, employees and relatives of employees are not entitled to 
enter!

Drbongo

Damn I just cross-posted again! Doh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Tomas Cerha [mailto:cerha brailcom org]
Sent: 17 December 2008 12:34
To: Anthony Sales
Subject: Re: Run Vibuntu on USB with persistant storage!

Anthony Sales napsal(a):

Sorry if I have annoyed anybody, as the project is very new I am still
trying to reach as wide an audience as possible.


Of course, I understand your motivation.  However this doesn't change
anything.


I will try to limit any
announcements or developments to one a day from now on, excluding
answering individual queries that people may have!
Cross posting is a bad practice in any case. If you could at least choose one mailing list, that would be significantly more considerate to the others. You can announce where you are moving Vibuntu discussions on the other lists 
so those who are interested will not miss it.

Thank you and best regards, Tomas
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