Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 3 - carret control

["Peter op 't Hof" <opthofp xs4all nl>]

Hi Listers,

In Jaws and Windoweyes the Combobox is prompted in braill with the 
CBO-boxstatus.
In .NET as well as in a propper Java-code the Alt-Arrowdown will open the box.
When a user has chosen he/she siple tabs to an other formfield.

In Javabeans- or JSP- generated pages i also have discovered that in 
multiusellectable items in a combobox the focus loses track.
I have to do Shift-tab and Tab to get the focus back and have to scroll through 
the items in a slower pase.
This happens in Firefox under Windows as well as IE.

Perhaps it would be better to add a formsmode to the screenreader so we all get 
a new approach via subroutines.
No Orca has to use the same procedure to scan the code.
If i take NVDA (Open Source screenreader in Python for Windows), i see a more 
positive result.

I use JAB 2.0 when testing in Windows and for Linux Ubuntu in a VM and Open 
Solaris.

Perhaps we can exchange more results with a multiplatform approach.
I really am willing to work hard on it.

Greetings,

Peter.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc MIT EDU>
To: "Orca screen reader developers" <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:55 PM
Subject: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 3 - carret control


> Seems that comboboxes should work as follows:
> * if you arrow to them, they should stay collapsed till you press space
> * if you tab into them, they should open by default
> * an opened combobox can be collapsed with escape
> * if its collapsed then arrows just move you away from it onto other objects
>
> This begs the question though: how should text boxes be handled? Its kind of
> a pain to have to escape from them even if your just reading through a
> document. Seems to me that the only control that needs this special handling
> is the textarea, since single line text files can be bypassed with up/down
> arrows. Perhaps the textarea could require enter to be pressed before it can
> be edited; and require an escape to stop editing. When not in edit mode,
> arrows just move past it, and read the contents if there are any.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina rednote net>
> To: "Joanmarie Diggs" <joanmarie diggs gmail com>
> Cc: <oedipus hicom net>; "orca-list" <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Performance enhancements for Firefox 3
>
>
> > Hi, Joanmarie:
> >
> > Joanmarie Diggs writes:
> > > > ..., is the confusion between down-arrow in a combo-box and down-arrow
> > > > for content navigation on the agenda for enhancement? Is that an FF
> > > > issue? Do I need to explain myself more on this point?
> > >
> > > I could use some more explanation I'm afraid.  If you're not in a combo
> > > box, down arrow moves you from line to line.  If you are in a combo box,
> > > down arrow moves you to the next item in the combo box.  That's a
> > > Firefox thang.
> >
> > The problem occurs, imho, when you down-arrow through text, but land
> > inside a combo without realizing it. Subsequent down-arrows alter the
> > combobox setting, rather than taking you to subsequent lines. Yes, it's
> > very possible to land in, and change the value of a combo without
> > realizing it.
> >
> > > We will be adding commands to move to the next object
> > > which should be useful for escaping combo boxes.  However right now, if
> > > you are on a collapsed combo box, left and right should move you off of
> > > it.  You can also tab away from them.
> > >
> > > So.... What should we be doing differently?  If it's a bug, then I'll
> > > see about getting it fixed soon. (Agency holiday shutdown means more
> > > Orca time next week.  Woo hoo!)  If it's a user interaction change, then
> > > I will leave that to Mike Pedersen to discuss and "spec out."
> >
> >
> > Suggest mimicing the behavior in applications where one first presses
> > spacebar to activate the combobox change. That would make Orca more
> > consistent, imho.
> >
> > But, we should probably ask community opinion on this. I've been caught
> > by this one so much, I suspect I'm not the only one has stumbled into
> > the problem. Yes, I understand how to undo, etc., but an ounce of
> > prevention, especially if it brings Orca into more consistent behavior,
> > is probably worthy of consideration. I'm not on the FF list, but will
> > forward this to someone who is and can push to that discussion as well.
> >
> > Thanks, Joanmarie.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >
> > > Thanks!
> > > --Joanie
> >
> > --
> >
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