Re: [orca-list] form field structural navigation

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis googlemail com>]

Why is F or shift-F being used rather than a key combination that 
doesn't normally produce typed text, such as Orca key + F to move to the 
next field and shift + Orca key + F to move back a field?

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> Hi,
> Now that i've heard the explanation from the developers, i agree with
> them. I don't want forms mode either so i agree with the developers.
> /Krister
>
>
> Brent Harding wrote:
> > The only problem with F and shift-F is that then we need code to decide 
> > whether we are in an edit box or not to tell whether the F or capitalized 
> > version gets typed or moves on to the next field. The only way I see this 
> > working is by then putting in forms mode. I don't know that virtual buffers 
> > are really the way to go with HTML, and I'm not sure why Windows programs 
> > mostly take that approach.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Darragh à HÃiligh" <lists digitaldarragh com>
> > To: "hermann" <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de>
> > Cc: "Joanmarie Diggs" <joanmarie diggs gmail com>; <Orca-list gnome org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] form field structural navigation
> >
> >
> > > Sorry, I cant test at the moment as my installation of Orca is working
> > > very baddly.
> > >
> > > My one and only feedback is that I really don't like the key
> > > assignment for this feature.  f and shift plus f seems much more
> > > logicle.  I know people are going to complain that again, I am
> > > referencing a keyboard map used by a windows vendor but my point
> > > remains the same.  It is my hope that more and more windows users will
> > > realise the power that Linux, Gnome and indeed Orca provides and
> > > change over.  The usage of standards developed by Windows A T vendors
> > > will help this transition and will decrease the learning curve.
> > >
> > > The other important point to note is that of course, different people
> > > like different key combinations.  I therefore suggest that a user
> > > customizable keyboard map is created.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for the creation of another fantastic feature.  I was
> > > personally waiting for this. When ready, it will really speed up my
> > > web browsing.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Darragh
> > >
> > > On 24/04/07, hermann <steppenwolf2 onlinehome de> wrote:
> > > > Hi Joanie,
> > > > the main tester is back again ;-)
> > > > A brief comment to item 2: Till now I found not much difference in
> > > > correctly/incorrectly speak/braille field labels.
> > > > But the majo issue is item 1: It doesn't work too reliable.
> > > > Visit:
> > > > http://www.google.de
> > > > or
> > > > http://www.google.com
> > > > or
> > > > http://www.gmx.de
> > > > Check the form fields forward and backward. I found out, that especially
> > > > when I move backward, Orca doesn't land on the fields surely.
> > > > Sometimes it seems as if the Orca modifier key is not recognized, so
> > > > that, in fact, you press shift+tab. Could of course be a handling
> > > > problem, so what about redefining, for example "f"?
> > > > Next problem: When I've visited several sites, doing search on the last
> > > > one, pressing Orca+Shift+Tab, I hear the whole history, e.g. Orca tells
> > > > me where I've been before and then says where I've landed.
> > > > Finally a very annoying thing: When pressing the form navigation keys,
> > > > Orca does not release the modifier key. Result: If you press the arrow
> > > > keys, you decrease/increase rate or pitch. Another argument for
> > > > redefining the keystrokes.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Hermann
> > > >
> > > >
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