Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information

[Joanmarie Diggs <j-diggs comcast net>]

Hi Cody, all.

Cody, I understand you for whatever it's worth. <smile>  And I know what
you mean:  That was my reaction when I first started using Orca.  But
after a while, I realized that I felt that way mostly because I'd grown
quite accustomed to hearing "submenu" over the years.  

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment.

The definition of a submenu is a menu within a menu, right? So let's say
you're in the File menu arrowing up and down to see what's there.  You
come across Wizards, which Orca tells you is a menu.  What are the odds
that Wizards is *not* a submenu?

Take care.
Joanie

On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:47 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote:
> Hi
>   Speaking of menus, I added this comment a while ago and don't know if
> it was thought about but if your going through a menu and there is a sub
> menu, orca should say something like "sub-menu" instead of "menu" the
> person won't tell the difference in the main menu and any branching
> menus and they could hit the right arrow and go to a totally different
> menu and then recycle through the menus to find where they are. Ugh, its
> a really confusing way I explained it but hopefully someone will
> understand me <smile>
>
> Cody
> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 22:36 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> > Hey there.
> > I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one
> > press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses
> > would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder
> > if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would
> > like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if
> > you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every
> > time you move to a new item or only once for a menu.
> > That's my 2 cents.
> > /Krister
> > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has
> > > been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you
> > > get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse
> > > whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to
> > > things like the name of the frame you are in).  I started commenting on
> > > the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual.  So I
> > > decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader
> > > discussion on the subject.  
> > >
> > > In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing
> > > whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it:  the quantity of
> > > information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times
> > > a bit too much.
> > >
> > > Example1:  I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off.
> > > Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on
> > > a line which reads "this is a test."  When I press KeyPad Enter, I would
> > > like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: 
> > >
> > > "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer <brief pause> Text <brief pause> This
> > > is a test."
> > >
> > > What I get is:
> > >
> > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame
> > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No
> > > focus"
> > >
> > > Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full
> > > hierarchy along with rolenames?  I, for one, would not.  I also think
> > > all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user.
> > >
> > > Example2:  Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still
> > > in OOo Writer.  But this time it just so happens that I am in the File
> > > menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter.
> > >
> > > What I'd like to hear:
> > >
> > > "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer <brief pause>  Euro Converter...
> > > <brief pause> Item 7 of 9 <brief pause> E"
> > >
> > > What I get is: 
> > >
> > > "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame
> > > Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards
> > > menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe"
> > >
> > > Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above.
> > > That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut
> > > Alt fwe"
> > >
> > > I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is
> > > contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File
> > > lives on the menu bar.  But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is
> > > to figure out what I'm currently sitting on.  How on earth I got there
> > > to begin with is something I can worry about later. <smile> 
> > >
> > > If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and
> > > what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need.  With
> > > that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu
> > > or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File.  (And in doing so
> > > answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional
> > > information (full path to the current menu item along with all the
> > > shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may
> > > be potentially confusing.
> > >
> > > I'm curious as to what others think.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!!
> > > Joanie
> > >
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