Re: Orca Thoughts on whereAmI: Quantity of Information

[Krister Ekstrom <krister kristersplace ws>]

Hey there.
I agree with Sergey on how the keypad enter could be set up so that one
press of the key would give a brief info on where i am and two presses
would give a more technical description on where i am. However, i wonder
if the menu items speaking should be there. What i mean is that i would
like an option in the prefs dialog speech page where you could decide if
you want to hear menu item count and if so if you want to hear it every
time you move to a new item or only once for a menu.
That's my 2 cents.
/Krister
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:21 -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> For those of you who don't hang out on Bugzilla like I do, there has
> been some reason discussion and questions about whereAmI (i.e. what you
> get when you press KeyPad Enter) and the implementation of a reverse
> whereAmI (so that you can hear where you are without having to listen to
> things like the name of the frame you are in).  I started commenting on
> the relevant RFEs with my thoughts, but I'm merely one individual.  So I
> decided instead to move things here in the hopes of having a broader
> discussion on the subject.  
>
> In the interest of brevity, I'll keep this message to the existing
> whereAmI functionality, and to just one aspect of it:  the quantity of
> information that is being spoken which, personally, I think is at times
> a bit too much.
>
> Example1:  I sit down to my computer and don't know where I left off.
> Turns out I'm in OpenOffice.org writer in a document called Untitled1 on
> a line which reads "this is a test."  When I press KeyPad Enter, I would
> like Orca to reorient me by saying something like: 
>
> "Untiled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer <brief pause> Text <brief pause> This
> is a test."
>
> What I get is:
>
> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame
> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane paragraph This is a test. No
> focus"
>
> Do we really need and/or want to hear the application name and the full
> hierarchy along with rolenames?  I, for one, would not.  I also think
> all of this information might be rather confusing for the new user.
>
> Example2:  Still sitting down, still don't know where I left off, still
> in OOo Writer.  But this time it just so happens that I am in the File
> menu, the Wizards submenu, and am currently on Euro Converter.
>
> What I'd like to hear:
>
> "Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer <brief pause>  Euro Converter...
> <brief pause> Item 7 of 9 <brief pause> E"
>
> What I get is: 
>
> "soffice.bin application Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer frame
> Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org Writer root pane menu bar File menu Wizards
> menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut Alt fwe"
>
> Let's ignore everything that is already addressed in Example 1 above.
> That leaves "File menu Wizards menu Item 7 of 9 Euro Converter shortcut
> Alt fwe"
>
> I suppose I can see some value in knowing that Euro Converter is
> contained within Wizards which is contained with File and that File
> lives on the menu bar.  But if I'm disoriented, my number one concern is
> to figure out what I'm currently sitting on.  How on earth I got there
> to begin with is something I can worry about later. <smile> 
>
> If I know the name of the window I'm in, that I'm on a menu item, and
> what that item's name happens to be, that is often all I need.  With
> that information, I'm in a position to choose an item in my current menu
> or work my way back out to Wizards and then to File.  (And in doing so
> answer the question of "How did I get here?") Thus the additional
> information (full path to the current menu item along with all the
> shortcuts I need) is unnecessary -- and, again for the new user, it may
> be potentially confusing.
>
> I'm curious as to what others think.
>
> Thanks in advance!!
> Joanie
>
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