Re: templates patch ...

[Michael Meeks <michael meeks novell com>]

Hi there,

On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 23:37 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote:
> However, after reading the extensive comprehensible argumentation by
> Alex, David and Kristoffer, and after actually playing around with
> Konqueror and Dolphin, I must say that now I am against such a proposal.

	:-)

> The coding complexity for merging all the menus in a proper way is just
> not worth the effort.

	So - lets split them; put the 'system' ones below any the user happens
to have configured [ to save muscle memory ], and add a nice toggle
button to the menu to let them easily disable the system templates from
showing up (?).

>  Also, the template system of KDE does not seem to integrate in a nice
> way: They don't even use OnlyShowIn

	Easy enough to ask them to fix; and more their problem than ours.

>  and have weird non-standard URL references like
> 
>   URL=.source/DVDROM-Device.desktop

	That is a relative URL from the current directory; ls -a will show you
the .source directory. More concerning to me would be the nastiness (in
general) of "device" .desktop files - but adding some OnlyShowIn
goodness would hide them from nautilus users at least.

> Besides, the UI of Dolphin and Konqueror randomly adds separators and
> submenus to the UI which also do not seem to be specified anywhere in
> the source template files.

	Sounds broken :-) we don't have to do that.

> I love how everybody cares about the users, but for this use-case
> skeletons and symlinks are definitely enough.

	So - really; do any distros actually configure a skeleton with nautilus
templates included ? how are they implemented ? with symlinks ? if so,
how does it feel never being able to move the destination files
again ? ;-) or is it the case that we ship something not that usable out
of the box on ~all distros ? :-)

> Sorry for all the noise and for the slalom - nobody is perfect :).

	Keep slalom'ing ;-) I'd like to propose two things: adding a check-box
to turn that thing off - either in the menu, or in some settings place
for the power-users who stuffed that menu full of their own templates
already. Adding system templates at the bottom - after a separator, and
implementing some more .desktop file magic to create "template apps" -
which can be passed a path [ to the relevant directory ] and present a
pretty UI for creating a template right there.

	How does that sound ?

	Thanks,

		Michael.

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