Re: Disclosure triangle behaviour (one user's feedback)

[<bordoley msu edu>]

I filed a similar bug about this before as well. Anders commented that he 
didnīt want to implement this because itīs a pain to code and monitor 
correctly and that macos list view does the same thing. Iīm incline to accept 
his reasoning, and donīt really think itīs that big of a deal.

as for the trouble produced by only being able to click on the disclosure 
triangle to open tree view nodes, this is a gtk treeview bug. There is an 
open gtk bug on this issue.

your last point is most likely a tree view bug as well.

dave

Darryl Rees <rees netnam vn> said:

> It appears that the real and desired behaviour of the disclosure 
> triangles (wrt empty folders) within the folders sidebar changed with 
> the resolution of bug 43608.
> 
> Personally however I find the current behaviour to be annoying and 
> unusual from a ui design perspective. Currently, empty folders show a 
> disclosure triangle - which when clicked opens the directory to show 
> 'empty'... a waste of time, especially in sparsely populated trees. IMHO 
> if there is nothing to disclose there should not be a disclosure control.
> 
> The cited reason for the current behaviour is that the disclosure 
> triangle is a visual cue for directories that have a non-standard icon. 
> I would like to argue that this is an extreme corner case - think about 
> it, it's only a problem if all of the following simultaneously apply:
> (1) You are using the folders sidebar with 'show only folders' turned off.
> (2) The folder is empty
> (3) The folder has a non-standard icon. (arguably an imprudent thing to 
> do - if you specify an alternate icon for a folder that looks nothing 
> like a folder, then either you are being purposely obfuscatory or 
> deserve what you get...)
> 
> Further, it would only be a problem if you were searching around for a 
> particular empty directory in which you wanted to put new files, and 
> were not entirely sure of the identity of that directory. Seems peverse 
> to me.
> 
> Moreover,
> (1) I've never seen this behaviour in other file-outliners.
> (2) In the main file-viewing canvas there is no such visual cue for 
> folders, which is arguably a bigger problem.
> (3) The 'Empty' indicator is misleading - the folder is most probably 
> not *empty* at all, but simply has no subfolders.
> 
> OK, it just seems sub-optimal to me.
> 
> While on the subject of disclosure triangles, a couple of other 2c 
> worth. The triangles themselves are quite small and fiddly to click on. 
> It would me much nicer to be able to double-click anywhere on a folder 
> name to open it (as per ms explorer) or something similar.
> 
> The last point is that I find outliners much clearer and less fatigueing 
> when the disclosure control is directly below the folder and the left 
> edge of the subfolders is to the right of the right edge of the parent 
> folder. gmc was particularly bad in this regard, from memory nautilus 1 
> got it right, and nautilus 2 seems to have regressed somewhat.
> 
> I'd be semi-surprised if there have not been studies into this area, but 
> can't find anything on the net. Hope this user-feedback is useful to 
> somebody.
> 
> Cheers,
> Darryl Rees.