Re: "mc is over!?" - post by Ilia Maslakov on Russian-speaking IT site

[Paul Sokolovsky <pmiscml gmail com>]

Hello,

On Sat, 30 May 2015 14:59:04 +0200
"Yury V. Zaytsev" <yury shurup com> wrote:

> On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 15:22 +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> > Everything will be done on best effort basis, just the same as was
> > done before, and as always the case with OpenSource projects.
>
> That's nonsense; most successful open source projects have drivers who
> are either employed to invest time into it, or have other
> circumstances that allow them to invest 10 hours per week as a bare
> minimum and above.

We're talking majority open-source projects here, and mc is for a very
long time is far from being "successful" (but indeed, for a project like
mc it's enough to be just existing and maintained).

> This is where the community shines: if you have several drivers who
> are able to process contributions in a timely manner, it adds a lot of
> value, innovation, diversity, etc.
>
> > Acceptance is the first step. If that is achieved, we can discuss
> > technical and organizational/personal commitments aspects. 
>
> I don't buy this; the first step is getting some real work done. Then
> we can discuss the acceptance.
>
> Example:
>
> Moofie is convincing, because he's done some excellent work and then
> went public with it. 

You think that adding more bloat is "excellent", I think that it's
"bad", actually, the only way I can agree to adding more "features" is
*replacing* older bloat, not adding more.

> He didn't start by showing up and saying: hey,
> this is my plan, you have to accept it first, and then we can see if
> I'm actually going to do anything. 

I'm doing stuff - see my github account. I can do (more) for mc too,
given opportunity. But whatever I do, I do step by step, and so far my
patch is stuck in the queue without proper review, so I'm not going
forward until this problem is solved - replying to people, reviewing
their stuff, working with them to make it better to lead into mainline.
And that's exactly what I'm ready to start with. And if that's too
little - well guys, it's exactly the area where you had problems and
clearly need help/improvement.

> He's already proven everything to me.

Good, take him to your team. Please pay attention to everyone's issues
anyway.

> You are not convincing at all, because all you have done so far is to
> waste a lot of time with your delusional posts (also in the thread
> started by Moofie!), and it seems that I'm not the only one who isn't
> very much impressed.

Ok, I consider my application rejected, and I'm generally not surprised
(I indeed objectively didn't do too much for mc - but again, that's the
problem which I'd like to be resolved - for everyone, not just for me -
mc should be welcoming of contributions, and help people to help it).


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