Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyrose gmail com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Dave Neary <dneary gnome org> wrote:
> Hi,
> On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote:
>>> - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project
>>> ( and others for a campaign related to
>>> Privacy and Security.
>> I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of
>> view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense,
>> but it will need more research before we can make a decision.
> I assume everyone has heard about this by now?
> Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of
> repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to
> avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity.
> I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of
> personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge
> opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are
> thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group
> effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law enforcement,
> with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms.
> The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. We
> cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another
> story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on the
> internet with projects like ghostery and collusion:
I think you need to be pretty careful about how you word these kinds of statements. If you are trying to take on the task of countering a case that includes such serious charges you really need to also partner with organizations that have substantial credibility and are known for defending people who are being wrongfully charged (the ACLU comes to mind, although they are seen in some circles as being partisan). Otherwise you run the risk of looking like an organization that defends freedom at all costs. I don't think the EFF is well known enough to stand that test, at least in the United States.

> Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla and
> EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet
> Liberty?

Meg Ford
> Cheers,
> Dave.

I'm with you 100% Dave! I would love to see us partner with Tor, EFF,
Mozilla, etc on such a project to speak out and show how we are
working to protect our and everyone elses' freedoms online. We could
make the FoG Campaign about "Freedom & Privacy Online" which is what
we are really talking about.

The biggest 'disadvantage' to Tor as I understand it comes from the
hit you take in overall network performance, which can be
considerable, and is highly variable depending on the speeds you get
through the nodes Tor chooses. If you get unlucky and hit a node run
by somebody with a crappy connection like me, it can be considerable
:) But sometimes the privacy it provides trumps the hit in speed you
take - and for many people who are 'just surfing around' its not a big



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