Thanks to the designers' team for providing meeting log. It looks like a productive meeting. Next time feel free posting it directly to the list. Same for any other team / group of people having an interesting meeting at #guadec. Quim
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- From: Behnam Esfahbod <behnam zwnj org>
- To: Ludovic Danigo <ldanigo yahoo fr>, John Hwang <johnyhwang gmail com>, Andreas Nilsson <nisses mail home se>, Behdad Esfahbod <behdad behdad org>, Quim Gil <qgil desdeamericaconamor org>
- Subject: Design Meeting Log...
- Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:26:14 +0330
...is attached. Cheers, -- ' ' Behnam Esfahbod ' * .. http://behnam.esfahbod.info * ` * * o * http://zwnj.org(00:31:03) zwnj: hi all
(00:44:45) andreasn [~chatzilla h108n3fls33o1104 telia com] entered the room.
(00:45:00) andreasn: ok, I´m here
(00:45:01) zwnj: halfline, ldng, tavon, andreasn: welcome to the design meeting
(00:45:26) tavon: hello...
(00:45:37) tavon: didn't realize the design meeting was now...
(00:45:51) tavon: I thought it was supposed to start 45 minutes later :)
(00:45:57) zwnj: tavon: bad time for you and me...
(00:46:20) tavon: zwnj: what time is it UTC right now?
(00:46:21) zwnj: oh, it's already 15 minutes late
(00:46:29) tavon: oh
(00:46:33) tavon: :) opps
(00:46:36) zwnj: it should be 21:15
(00:46:40) tavon: brb in a few minutes
(00:47:01) zwnj: tavon: ok
(00:47:13) andreasn: hello
(00:48:02) zwnj: andreasn: hi
(00:48:12) zwnj: what's your opinion about the logo?
(00:48:18) zwnj: any idea to make it better?
(00:48:37) andreasn: where can I see a sample?
(00:49:07) zwnj: andreasn: http://beta.guadec.org/image/tid/15
(00:50:15) andreasn: I like the one that looked like a table/flower
(00:50:22) andreasn: but no, the logo is good now
(00:50:34) zwnj: andreasn: that was my first idea
(00:50:51) zwnj: and IMO the best for a conference
(00:50:57) andreasn: it is
(00:51:03) andreasn: why was this elected?
(00:51:23) zwnj: just made this one to be such a flag
(00:51:40) zwnj: and seems more people like this one more than the others
(00:52:01) andreasn: one thing I´m thinking of is that it is saying guadec twice
(00:52:32) andreasn: is it as if you don´t trust that people can read the logo
(00:52:40) zwnj: an interesting example of problems of a democratic election ;)
(00:53:12) zwnj: andreasn: yes, many people have this problem
(00:53:23) andreasn: really?
(00:53:34) tavon: i'm back
(00:53:58) andreasn: well, anyway, the logo, if his been elected, should not be altered any more
(00:54:07) zwnj: quim's suggestion was to write the "GNOME Users and..." every where that GUADEC should be read
(00:54:34) andreasn: yeah, that would be nice
(00:54:37) zwnj: andreasn: IMO, we can use other designs for T-shirts and other stuff
(00:54:53) andreasn: yeah, probably
(00:55:04) zwnj: tavon: what's your opinion?
(00:55:25) ***tavon thinking...
(00:55:35) andreasn: I like the idea of the squares, we should reuse those in other material
(00:55:45) ***tavon nodes
(00:55:49) ***tavon nods
(00:55:51) tavon: ;)
(00:56:16) zwnj: andreasn: yes, that's useful
(00:56:19) tavon: I'm definately going to make the site reflect the grid look of the logo
(00:56:38) andreasn: tavon: you´re in charge of the website?
(00:56:50) zwnj: andreasn: i'm working on a poster, tiled with blue...white squares, and the logo in the top half
(00:56:53) tavon: yeah... as far as I'm know... I designed the theme
(00:57:06) tavon: I do drupal related stuff...
(00:57:07) andreasn: ah, I saw that. Looks great!
(00:57:42) tavon: thanks but it needs tons of work
(00:57:42) zwnj: andreasn: btw, are you from spain?
(00:57:54) andreasn: nope, I´m from sweden
(00:58:21) zwnj: oh, i hope we had some people from spain
(00:58:28) zwnj: to decide about the colors
(00:58:43) tavon: zwnj: I'm thinking that the blocks and the GUADEC text below could use some more space
(00:59:04) tavon: to make the logo a little bit more square-like overall like the small squares
(00:59:22) zwnj: tavon: yes, we can omit it on the header of website
(00:59:32) zwnj: but, need the text in the homepage
(00:59:32) tavon: okay
(00:59:42) tavon: right
(01:00:04) andreasn: so, what kind of material needs to be produced for the conference?
(01:00:06) tavon: zwnj: about the colors... I'm leaning towards the blue for the website...
(01:01:01) zwnj: i mean the color of poster and other stuff
(01:01:08) tavon: ah
(01:01:27) zwnj: website have web-related problems itself
(01:01:48) zwnj: so i don't want to force colors for it
(01:01:57) zwnj: tavon: is it ok?
(01:02:45) tavon: I think it's fine as it is right now... but we might want to standardize a color scheme
(01:02:53) tavon: create a color palette
(01:03:07) zwnj: but, looking at stuttgard's website, t-shirts, etc, i really liked it
(01:03:15) zwnj: tavon: exactly
(01:03:46) zwnj: seems there are some problems on using the colors of catalonia and spain flags
(01:03:47) andreasn: well, what about the blues from the logo then?
(01:03:51) zwnj: political issues
(01:04:35) zwnj: so, looks we MUST select a color other than red and/or yellow
(01:04:40) tavon: zwnj: plus they're pretty difficult colors to design websites around
(01:04:45) zwnj: so blue is ok :D
(01:05:11) zwnj: andreasn: are you in gnome marketing project?
(01:05:31) andreasn: I draw the banners on gnome.org
(01:05:53) tavon: zwnj: we might need to tweak it given that I'm going to go for a pretty dark blue header to frame the site and a really dark/grey as the background
(01:05:54) andreasn: and I´m subscribed to the list...so yes, I probably am :)
(01:06:32) zwnj: andreasn: good :)
(01:06:42) andreasn: but most of my spare time I draw tango-icons
(01:06:52) tavon: andreasn: sweet...
(01:07:01) zwnj: andreasn: cool, would you do one for Gucharmap? :">
(01:07:17) tavon: you guys think using the tango color scheme for the website might be okay?
(01:07:39) tavon: it'll give a unified, familiarity to gnome related sites...
(01:07:47) andreasn: zwnj: I think we have a generic charmap-icon in the base set
(01:07:53) zwnj: tavon: and gnome desktop too ;)
(01:08:04) andreasn: the tango-colors are nice
(01:08:08) zwnj: andreasn: haven't seen, i'll take a look, tnx
(01:08:24) andreasn: I´m always in favor of using that palette :)
(01:09:07) tavon: okay so i'll try to use the tango color palette for now and let's see where that leads...
(01:09:18) zwnj: i see some old gnome icons on 2005.guadec.org :D
(01:10:53) zwnj: ok, let's try the tango pallet for everything
(01:11:05) andreasn: sounds good
(01:11:13) tavon: agreed
(01:11:43) zwnj: ok
(01:11:55) andreasn: so, should we just go for blue, or do we need any other colors?
(01:12:12) andreasn: 2005 was pretty orange if I recall corecly
(01:12:24) andreasn: ugh, however you spell correctly
(01:12:26) andreasn: :)
(01:12:38) tavon: let's choose a line on the tango color palette
(01:12:42) zwnj: for website and other official stuff, let's try the navy color from tango pallet
(01:12:57) andreasn: Sky blue?
(01:13:21) zwnj: oh, sorry, i meant dark blue
(01:13:27) andreasn: http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines#Color_Palette
(01:14:15) zwnj: so yes, it's name is Sky blue :D
(01:14:28) andreasn: ;)
(01:15:01) andreasn: what is the font used in the logo?
(01:15:13) andreasn: could that be reused for headers on posters and stuff?
(01:15:17) zwnj: andreasn: would you please take a look at http://beta.guadec.org/node/132
(01:15:40) zwnj: andreasn: i designed those characters
(01:15:59) andreasn: zwnj: so, no full set then?
(01:16:00) zwnj: also can make a truetype/opentype if needed
(01:16:07) zwnj: nope
(01:16:41) zwnj: ok, let's try colors till next meeting. anything more about colors?
(01:17:34) andreasn: not really...I guess we need to hunt down pantone-colors of those blue tints (not needed if we print in cmyk though)
(01:18:02) andreasn: zwnj: what about the page?
(01:18:41) zwnj: i don't have access to pantone, would you do that?
(01:19:04) zwnj: maybe corel-draw/freehand help on this
(01:19:15) andreasn: I don´t have easy acess to one either :(
(01:19:31) andreasn: oh yeah, photoshop has it built in, right?
(01:19:36) zwnj: oh, i can ask our graphic design to do that
(01:19:58) zwnj: photoshop?! don't remember....
(01:20:12) andreasn: I think it has the set built in
(01:20:26) zwnj: tavon: something about the theme
(01:20:26) andreasn: don´t trust the colors on my screen though
(01:20:49) zwnj: tavon: can you make posts (forum, etc) like planet.g.o?
(01:21:16) zwnj: andreasn: i'll work on it
(01:21:23) andreasn: cool
(01:21:41) zwnj: ok, colors issue is finished for now
(01:21:50) zwnj: let's talk about the font
(01:22:08) andreasn: in the logo?
(01:22:21) zwnj: andreasn: logo and other titles IMHO
(01:22:57) zwnj: lemme give you a link
(01:23:08) tavon: zwnj: sorry i just went to get a cup of coffee
(01:23:16) tavon: zwnj: you can have aggregated data
(01:23:16) andreasn: if it is possible to make a set usable for headers (only uppercase and some numbers would do I think) that would be great
(01:23:21) tavon: like in p.g.o
(01:23:48) andreasn: then we could use those on signs, schedules and all kinds of stuff
(01:23:48) zwnj: tavon: yes, but i meant the theme
(01:23:53) zwnj: faces on the left
(01:23:59) zwnj: with a balloon
(01:24:00) tavon: zwnj: yes
(01:24:20) tavon: the balloons will be some extra work, i'll see how p.g.o does it
(01:24:47) zwnj: tavon: that's an important view of gnome by now
(01:25:09) zwnj: tavon: you can ask the maintainer to send you the template too
(01:25:38) tavon: zwnj: hmm... do you think that's that the best ui for the forum?
(01:25:52) zwnj: IMO we shouldn't use those characters for text
(01:26:04) andreasn: I think Steven Garrity did the design of those bubbles on p.g.o
(01:26:42) zwnj: tavon: i'm not sure
(01:26:54) tavon: we can have avatar definately... but the bubble look is kinda too playful for a conference site isn't it?
(01:27:19) tavon: or at least the p.g.o style bubbles...
(01:27:25) andreasn: zwnj: no? I think they are kind of nice.
(01:27:58) andreasn: especally in contrast to the boxy squares
(01:28:00) tavon: well... i'll try to the p.g.o style bubbles and let's see what they look like
(01:28:25) tavon: we can then go from there and see if there might be better designs...
(01:29:50) zwnj: tavon: i'm not sure
(01:30:10) zwnj: let's try some ways...
(01:30:22) tavon: okay
(01:30:54) zwnj: ok, have you seen SIL free fonts?
(01:31:15) andreasn: zwnj: URL?
(01:31:15) zwnj: andreasn: was that about the font? or theme?
(01:31:32) andreasn: the font
(01:32:15) zwnj: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&cat_id=FontDownloadsGentium
(01:32:43) zwnj: andreasn: it needs a *lot* of work to be usable on text
(01:33:07) zwnj: i think we can go for Charis SIL for graphic designs
(01:33:10) zwnj: T-shirts
(01:33:15) zwnj: poster, flyers
(01:33:27) zwnj: and maybe graphics of web too
(01:33:29) andreasn: even in headers?
(01:33:49) tavon: zwnj: I prefer a san-serif font for the web given that the rest of the gnome sites use san-serif...?
(01:34:28) tavon: if we use that in the headers... they'll have to be all graphic
(01:34:39) tavon: people won't have the font installed by default
(01:34:55) andreasn: I recall Andy Fitzsimon was working on a free font usable for headers
(01:35:03) andreasn: can´t find it though
(01:36:31) tavon: zwnj: I think the sil font would look great on the brochures and the t-shirts though
(01:36:55) zwnj: tavon: hum, ok, not for website
(01:37:16) zwnj: tavon: yes, it's a real typography!
(01:37:31) tavon: :)
(01:37:32) andreasn: I better try that sil-font out
(01:37:52) ***tavon installing the sil font
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(01:40:25) zwnj: take a look at this
(01:40:25) zwnj: http://zwnj.org/proj/guadec/guadec-logo-03.2.svg
(01:40:45) zwnj: http://zwnj.org/proj/guadec/guadec-logo-03.2.png
(01:41:28) zwnj: [you have to open the svg on inkscape, it has problems on the view box (inkscape bug IMHO)]
(01:42:53) andreasn: it feels very square. what I liked about the letters used in the logo was that they communicated a very soft and friendly feeling
(01:44:35) zwnj: andreasn: you're right
(01:44:54) zwnj: but some people don't like that font at all :(
(01:45:10) tavon: zwnj: what font is it?
(01:45:15) andreasn: what peopel?
(01:45:18) andreasn: people?
(01:45:31) zwnj: tavon: nothing, a draw the glyphs myself
(01:45:38) zwnj: andreasn: ok, some developers :D
(01:45:45) andreasn: heh!
(01:45:58) andreasn: developers smevelopers
(01:46:09) andreasn: err..sorry
(01:46:20) andreasn: some developers are actually good at astetics
(01:48:02) zwnj: ok, what's the plan?
(01:48:03) andreasn: but we can go with the sil-type for now
(01:48:16) zwnj: go and find more free fonts?
(01:48:26) zwnj: andreasn: i like them
(01:48:43) tavon: tavon: sil fonts look great
(01:48:48) tavon: oops~ lol
(01:49:08) ***tavon shakes his head as he finds himself talking to himself...
(01:49:19) andreasn: should we use the same font for headers and bread text then?
(01:49:33) andreasn: or could we use a sans-serif for headers?
(01:50:03) andreasn: is it only called bread-text in swedish perhaps?
(01:51:41) andreasn: I need to swich system
(01:51:47) andreasn: back in a moment
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(01:51:54) zwnj: andreasn: my idea is to do a typography on typographical stuff
(01:52:07) zwnj: no sans serif on printing materials IMHO
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(01:52:27) zwnj: andreasn: my idea is to do a typography on typographical stuff
(01:52:31) zwnj: no sans serif on printing materials IMHO
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(01:54:18) andreasn: so, where can I get hold of this sil-font now again?
(01:54:38) tavon: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium_download
(01:54:58) andreasn: thanks
(01:55:52) zwnj: tavon: here are a test i made with a font that i can't remember it's name
(01:55:53) zwnj: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/designer.aspx?pr=Back&action="">
(01:56:16) zwnj: it is very well designed
(01:56:43) tavon: zwnj: what am I supposed to look at on that page?
(01:57:00) zwnj: front and back designs
(01:57:05) zwnj: can't you see those?
(01:57:13) tavon: no... :(
(01:57:26) zwnj: oops, lemme see
(01:57:32) tavon: zwnj: there's no id on the url
(01:57:32) zwnj: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&number=48846250
(01:58:06) zwnj: you don't have large views on this page :(
(01:58:11) zwnj: lemme upload somewhere
(01:58:27) tavon: right but I like the font and the look
(01:58:37) zwnj: yes! found it
(01:58:38) zwnj: MgOpen Cosmetica
(02:00:47) tavon: wow I really like the MgOpen fonts
(02:00:58) ***tavon installing MgOpen fonts as well :)
(02:01:26) zwnj: andreasn: MgOpen fonts are good for titles too
(02:01:52) zwnj: their design is really great
(02:04:12) zwnj: TODO: find a good mixture of the logo and SIL/MgOpen fonts
(02:04:22) andreasn: MgOpenModerna looks ncie
(02:04:24) andreasn: nice
(02:07:54) zwnj: heh, look at here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2005-August/msg00071.html
(02:08:22) andreasn: uh
(02:08:23) andreasn: :)
(02:08:40) tavon: lol :D
(02:08:51) andreasn: I should ask Andy how work is going on his font
(02:09:35) andreasn: do we have a list of needed printing material btw?
(02:09:36) zwnj: IMHO, Cosmetica is what a user and developers conference needs!
(02:09:37) zwnj: :D
(02:10:20) zwnj: donno, but sponsor brochure is the important one for now
(02:10:37) andreasn: ok
(02:10:48) zwnj: and posters, flyers on the way
(02:11:22) andreasn: banner to put over the entrance perhaps?
(02:11:58) zwnj: i like to have the correct color and font on brochure, but maybe it's not so important as it will be used just before the conference
(02:12:39) zwnj: yes [let's list them now and make a page on live.g.o]
(02:12:54) zwnj: i was thinking that we'll have flags on the conference
(02:13:05) andreasn: t-shirt design also needed
(02:13:14) zwnj: flags of the participant countries
(02:13:28) zwnj: flags of sponsors
(02:13:36) zwnj: and flag of GUADEC
(02:13:49) tavon: zwnj: given the logo design, I'm thinking about extending the column all the to the top
(02:13:57) zwnj: but asking friends, found that there's no flag on GUADEC last year :D
(02:14:16) andreasn: little badges for all visitors is needed aswell
(02:16:47) zwnj: OT, any way to have someone from CC on GUADEC?
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(02:19:09) zwnj: i saw some posters for GNOME on the marketing group at live.g.o
(02:19:38) andreasn: what did they look like?
(02:19:47) zwnj: they was simple enough
(02:19:57) zwnj: and meaningful too
(02:20:08) Behdad Esfahbod: link?
(02:20:52) zwnj: the important thing about them is they follow many parts of tango guideline! :D
(02:21:09) Behdad Esfahbod: which is not that important for our purpose anyway ;)
(02:21:23) andreasn: oh, yeah, those...yeah, I did them some moths ago
(02:21:39) andreasn: should do some new ones
(02:21:55) andreasn: I even used the clock from tango in one of them
(02:23:18) zwnj: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/PosterText
(02:23:33) zwnj: andreasn: heh
(02:24:23) andreasn: people complain a lot about the eyes on that smiley though
(02:24:26) zwnj: andreasn: good job man!
(02:24:48) zwnj: it's lovely IMO
(02:24:48) andreasn: thanks
(02:25:45) zwnj: ok
(02:26:00) zwnj: i was thinking about posters
(02:26:08) zwnj: then remembered your works
(02:26:17) zwnj: how is this:
(02:26:29) zwnj: part of the earth
(02:26:56) zwnj: with spain/catalonia on the focus
(02:27:42) zwnj: a long bar (with perspective)
(02:29:33) andreasn: it's getting late here
(02:29:37) zwnj: and GUADEC flag is hoisted (maybe with some curves to make it natural)
(02:29:44) andreasn: can we continue this another day?
(02:29:57) zwnj: yes, of course
(02:30:05) zwnj: thanks all
(02:30:18) andreasn: so, when should we meet next time?
(02:30:28) andreasn: tuesday?
(02:30:34) zwnj: so let's try fonts and colors in this week
(02:30:41) zwnj: and have the next on next sunday
(02:30:43) tavon: sure
(02:30:47) andreasn: ok
(02:30:48) tavon: okay
(02:30:49) andreasn: sounds good
(02:30:52) zwnj: and
(02:30:57) andreasn: same time?
(02:31:19) zwnj: a we need a little report for the list and tomorrows meeting
(02:31:26) zwnj: this time is good for me
(02:31:34) zwnj: tavon: good for you?
(02:31:39) tavon: yes :)_
(02:31:46) zwnj: ok
(02:32:14) zwnj: tavon, andreasn: thanks again, and good luck
(02:32:21) zwnj: behdad: thank you too :)
(02:32:24) andreasn: good luck to you too
(02:32:32) tavon: zwnj, andreasn: thanks guys
(02:32:39) tavon: until tomorrow :)
(02:32:50) zwnj: tavon: yah, bye
(02:47:24) Behdad Esfahbod: bye
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