Re: [gtkmm] Is Gtkmm stable and mature on Win32?

[pallucchini roberto <r palluk virgilio it>]

hi folk's,

i'm not an expert developer, i'm a rookie :-) 
i'm a computer technician and OS expert and few month ago i've decided
to start for learn to programming. 
I mean there aren't a question, qut 2 questions!
Java is better? or C / C++?
next, what library is better to learn??
Java is ok (my first choose), is multiplatform and web oriented, is good
to develop client/server programs and applications for Application
server. Well, but it isn't good for make system programs, daemons or
other things like it! all the kernels and OS is C / C++ !!

Next, if you choose Java, what library i want to use? SWT or Swing?
for C/C++ WxWidgets or Gtk+/Gtkmm???
WxWidgets is very good and very complete library... Gtkmm haven't all
the kinds of toolkit than WxWidget! But why the experts prefere Gtkmm??
I have installed into my pc a suse 9.1 and i seen both the library are
installed! wxWidget for a program only!! why??? ;-((

ok, i have choose:
C++ because if i need to make a system program i can, the program is
very quickly and is however multiplatform.
Gtkmm is only a wrapper than gtk+. The performance is better than
wxwidgets and i think is better supported and updated.

i have wrote some small program and tryed to build under linux and
windows... is ok.

Roberto
excuse me for my poor english :-))


On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 11:58, Robert wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 14:29, Ney Andr�e Mello Zunino wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > I am new to cross-platform GUI toolkits. However, there is a new project 
> > at work which will give me the opportunity to learn one. I need to make 
> > a design choice among gtkmm, Qt and WxWidgets. I have taken a 
> 
> With all due respect to the gtkmm community,  let me point out that the
> name of the game in cross-platform gui development is Java.  Java's 
> gui classes are extremely powerful and complete and identical behavior 
> across platforms is usually very successful.  With any of the libraries 
> you mention,  you're probably going to have more limited functionality 
> and many potential hassles with straddling the Linux and Windows 
> worlds.  For instance,  Java will give you printing support with preview
> and printer selection dialogs,  etc.  I think you get native print 
> selection dialogs with WxWidgets but I don't think gtkmm has even that. 
> In addition,  Java gives you an incredibly rich set of general API's.
> Etc.
> 
> This is not to say that gtkmm or one of the other C++ solutions are 
> never the right choice.  Just be sure you have a compelling reason to
> use technologies that will probably be more difficult and less powerful.
> 
> > superficial look at each of them and, as a C++ programmer, I must say I 
> > have felt inclined toward gtkmm. I was pleased to see a design where 
> > language features are exploited instead of relying on ugly and 
> > old-fashioned hacks.
> >
> > All in all, I was very close to having a final decision and driving my 
> > learning efforts toward gtkmm. There is only one issue which I need to 
> > clear up before doing so: I read on some forum posts and articles 
> > reviewing GUI toolkits, that one of gtkmm's weak points was that it was 
> > faulty or unstable under Win32. Since the percentage of Win32 users in 
> > the target public of the application in question is relatively high 
> > (about 75%), that issue deserves special attention. So, I seek some 
> > facts and advice in order for me to be able to make a good design decision.
> 
> I've done a very little bit of cross platform work using gtkmm.  In my
> experience,  gtkmm works well enough under Windows.  Check the dates on 
> the discussions you read,  as they might be outdated.
> 
> One issue that I did run into (and which I guess is probably typical
> of the sort of problems you might see) is that some of the graphics 
> primitives worked differently on Windows and Linux.  For instance,  the 
> draw_arc method seemed to produce arcs with different bounding boxes on 
> the two platforms.  I couldn't tell for sure which platform had a 
> correct implementation because I couldn't find documentation that 
> precisely stated what the draw_arc method was supposed to do on the 
> level of pixels.  This is another point in favor of Java,  where all 
> such things are extremely thoroughly documented.  By contrast,  the 
> documentation for gtk and gtkmm is incomplete and in some places screwy.
> 
> There's also some confusing issues surrounding the multiple ways you can
> do development under Windows (various Cygwin options,  MinGW, VC++,  
> etc.)  And there are other issues I've run into with compiler 
> differences and differences in libraries other than gtkmm.
> 
> > Thank you very much,
> 
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