RE: Programmer's criticism of GTK2

[martyn 2 russell bt com]

Its like this: there is a scale of complexity with everything.  If you make
it too complex it makes it difficult to do simple things, and similarly if
you make something too simple it is difficult to write something complex.
Gtk 2 gets that "scale" in my opinion just right.

Gtk 2 makes simple things easy and complex things possible, and that's the
way it should be.

Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Pereira [mailto:carlos pehoe civil ist utl pt] 
Sent: 15 March 2002 12:54
To: gtk-app-devel-list gnome org
Subject: Re: Programmer's criticism of GTK2

<flame>

> How simple do you want it? Gtk isn't exactly hard to get into; if you find
> the interface difficult I would suggest you're not fit to write software.

This is the most brain dead statement I have seen for a long time.

The guy to whom you replied this perl, is using Gtk for at least 2 years,
and often has helped in this list. He is not exactly a newbie trying to
compile helloworld.c

At page 293 of Expert C Programming, written by Sun kernel hacker
Peter van der Linden, you can read this citation:
"C++ will do for C what Algol-68 did for Algol" - David L. Jones

and then the footnote explains:
"Algol-68 was a monster-sized language that built on the small and
successful Algol-60. It was hard to understand (it had a formal 
specification written in denotational semantics), hard to implement,
and hard to use. But it was 'very powerful' or so everyone said. Algol-68
effectively kiled Algol-60 by replacing it, before self-destructing in 
a wave of impracticality. Some people see parallels between the two Algols 
and the two C's."

I am sure there was people then saying as you:
"How simple do you want it? Algol-68 isn't exactly hard to get into; 
if you find the language difficult I would suggest you're not fit 
to write software."

</flame>

I certainly wish all the best to Gtk, and I certainly thank all the
great hackers who did their best for Gtk during the last 3 years, 
I am still planning to use Gtk2.0 despite the huge increase in libraries,
size and complexity, but we must stay focused: simplicity is
good, complexity is bad.

Carlos
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