Le lundi 06 décembre 2004 à 12:45 +0930, Malcolm Caldwell a écrit : > > > > To stay simple? > > It is simple right up to the point where you want to increase the value! > > > By experience many users want things that just work. Now > > if it is really a problem, that can be easily changed. That's a one line > > patch. > > I think it should be changed. As long as the default is low it should > work well enough out of the box. > > (As it is people look at gm and say "Oh, it is limited to 100Kbps!) > > Why is having a entry for "Enable H.245 tunneling" etc simple, but > setting bandwidth >100Kbps not? > Just because I have tried everything on my LAN and I can never reach 800 kbits/s upload with H.261. > > > There are other issues with the ui which make it very > > > > > > > What kind of issues? > > Statistics tab comes to mind. (No units on graphs etc, at high school I > would have been given a low mark for something like this :) ) > Find a solution to have units, it is welcome! That has been discussed many times. > There are ui issues with laptop use as well. I think some of this has > been fixed - gatekeeper will now retry to connect, but afaik ils does > not? Oh, and this is not really a timeout, but a retry interval. The Gatekeeper won't retry to connect, ILS will. > last remaining 'laptop' issue is that of hot-plugging. You see, often > when I connect to a mcu to perticipate in a meeting I forget to plug in > my camera, or forget to go into preferences and change the setting. So > the first thing people see of me is the bouncing logo! Now this is all > good advertising for gm :), but I would rather this did not happen. > Again, and again, and again (!), support for hotplug shouldn't be done in GnomeMeeting itself. The best we can hope is having it possible through HAL, but that's not for now. > I can get most of what I want. By running a script at startup to use > gconftool to set video input to /dev/video0. Then when I connect I get > a warning that the device could not be opened. Then I disconnect, plug > in camera, and reconnect and a way I go - no need to go to preferences. > This seems more 'natural' to me. I don't see why I should have to go to > preferences - my preference has not changed just because the camera is > not plugged in. Of course, others may see this differently. > I think so. If you don't plug the camera, I find it pretty natural to have the logo displayed instead of the picture :) > > > While on the subject of gnomemeeting vs other vid conf programs. > > > Gnomemeeting must be the only programme in the universe where you mute a > > > microphone by clicking on a picture of a speaker. There MUST be mute > > > icons withing the gnome project somewhere that can be used without too > > > much trouble. > > > > > > > I don't know if you noticed there is a "||" on the speaker icon, like on > > the video icon, that means "pause" on most players. > > No. I have never noticed the ||. Perhaps it is a bit obscure? > If you want to draw a new icon and that we find it better than the old one, I will commit it to CVS. > Also, the description is a bit long. Whats wrong with "Mute > Microphone"? > > Also, I don't think by clicking on that you are 'pausing the speaker' > If you are pausing anything it is a microphone. (Unless we are talking > about the 'remote speaker', but that does not make much sense. Also, > what if the remote end has headphones! :) > ;-) > > > The last issue is h263. It is available, it should be able to be > > > included. > > > > > > > Feel free to take the responsability to distribute it. > > Yes. I have been thinking about doing this. > > > > Now I *know* that there are reasons for all of this, and that some of > > > this does not come down to the gnomemeeting developers but, these are > > > still my 'concerns' about gnomemeeting. > > > > > > Please don't get me wrong, I like gnomemeeting. This is just MHO of how > > > to make it better. > > > > > > > > 5) Regarding Skype : > > > > > a) I think Skype has a bright future > > > > > b) I'm using Skype and GnomeMeeting > > > > > c) I'm not using GnomeMeeting anymore now that there is Skype > > > > > d) I think GnomeMeeting has no more interest now > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should add : > > > > e) I think GnomeMeeting still has interest despite Skype > > > > > > e) Skype is not a contender for anything I use gnomemeeting for. > > > > > > One last thing, There is a big question: > > > > > > What *is* gnomemeeting? We all know it is not an IM application that > > > also does voip. ;) On the other hand, at the moment it seems to be > > > (mainly) voip application that can also do a bit of video. I think this > > > is limiting things a bit. > > > > > > > I see GnomeMeeting as a VoIP and videoconferencing application. > > > > What would you change? If you answer me codecs, I will tell you we are > > legally limited. > > Yes. I know your position. > > This is still a limitation of gnomemeeting, even if (as you say) there > is nothing you can do about it. > > And again I will say: I like gnomemeeting. Even the way it is! But if > you ask me (and I believe you did), it can be improved! :) Well you mentionned 5 issues : - the upload bandwidth is limited to 800 kbits/s. That's pretty high, but we can still increase it. That can be fixed. - GM won't try to reconnect to the gatekeeper when the laptop wakes up. Well I don't know how it could be fixed and I have the feeling all software has the same problem. - You don't like the mute icon. I have asked several times to the "graphist" for other icons, I don't have them. I guess I will have to find another graphist than Jimmac. - GM doesn't ship with patented codecs: I don't want to take any risk. Once GnomeMeeting will work fully with audio and video codecs, you will be able to buy patented stuff that works with GnomeMeeting. But I don't want GM to become Warez software. - hotplug support: no software supports this. It could become possible through HAL. Once it is possible, it will be implemented. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- GnomeMeeting: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ //\ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org v_/_ H.323 phone : callto:ils.seconix.com/dsandras seconix com
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