Re: My gripes with Gnome Shell

[Jeffrey Needle <jeff needle gmail com>]

Nope, not a troll.  Just a longtime Linux user who just wonders why some 
developers make the choices they make.  Maybe I'm too old to be able to 
change easily.

On 09/27/2016 02:44 AM, Jean-Christophe Baptiste wrote:
> Hello,
>
> These criticisms are definitely not fair, I wonder if it is not a pure troll.
> Gnome-shell is very functional and stable, I really enjoy it every day.
>
> My only concern is that it is too much in advance compared to the status of the gtk application ecosystems. 
> Many apps are not ready, and I wonder if they will be some day.
>
> I am mainly thinking about the support of the notification system and the absence of tray.
> It is at the core of the workflow, making sense of the notification area and the way dash works by default.
>
> Without app support, the present workflow is completely broken. And for these numerous applications, the 
> legacy tray or extensions (topicons) are still needed (but are currently not working in Wayland).
>
> As an example of ready app, there is the Lollypop music player. It keeps playing while the window is closed 
> and shows controls in the notification area.
> But that is a rare case.
>
> Here is a bunch of applications that cannot work with the workflow designed in Gnome-shell: keepassx, 
> thunderbird, evolution, dropbox, pidgin, hexchat, usbguard, redshift. I use most of them all day long, but 
> other people could probably find even more examples. And sometimes, there is simply no alternative whatsoever 
> for these apps in the Gnu/Linux ecosystem.
>
> Where is the man power to migrate or replace all these applications?
>
> Regards,
> JCB
>
>
> Le 26/09/2016 à 23:35, Olaf Leidinger a écrit :
> > Hej,
> >
> > > I install Linux on a lot of computers.  My users all use an an app that
> > > needs to start from a shell script, and after I leave, they have other
> > > apps that likewise start in that way.  Minor?  Not to them.
> > Why would you start an shell script app via GUI?
> >
> > Anyway, I'd suggest to adapt your shell scripts to place a simple XDG
> > file into the user's home. Or to globally create XDG files for those
> > apps and maintain them in a custom package. That's what I used to do
> > for proprietary stuff like Matlab or Mathematica. That way, they are
> > usable from any desktop.
> >
> > Creating an XDG file is basically what "create launcher" used to do on
> > GNOME 2.x.
> >
> > > Nope.  The year --- why in the world can't we have the year display?
> > > There are codes you can insert to display the date as you prefer.  Why
> > > does Gnome not let us just enter those codes?
> > >
> > > In the old days, you were able to use a configuration tool to enter
> > > those codes.  Not any more.  Why?
> > I'm not going to ask why on earth you need the year displayed - since I
> > guess it's just an example. So let's come directly to the date codes.
> >
> > Short answer: because nobody coded it.
> >
> > Longer answer: It seems as nobody felt that showing the year was
> > needed. I'd assume the average user is scared off by entering date
> > codes / format strings. Furthermore, it's more complex. I'd be
> > astonished, however, it a patch to manually set a format string via
> > dconf would be rejected.
> >
> >
> > > > >     I want a working weather app.
> > > > What do you mean by working? I'm using the Openweather extension. Works
> > > > just great.
> > > Mine says "Invalid Extension."
> > Probably not correctly installed. The weather extension works great
> > here on Debian testing. What distribution and GNOME version are you
> > using?
> >
> >
> > > I want Gnome to do this stuff.  I grew up on the old Gnome classic
> > > desktop, and I really wish I could continue.  Cinnamon is okay, but it
> > > just doesn't feel comfortable to me.
> > >
> > > Oh well.  Back to XFCE.  All is simple there.
> > What do you expect? You must realise, that you affront the people on
> > this list that way. Makes you look like a douche bag - and I guess this
> > is not what you intended. On top, why do you think that people care
> > what desktop you are using?
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for the response.
> > You're welcome!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Olaf
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