Re: My gripes with Gnome Shell

[Jan Niklas Hasse <jhasse bixense com>]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016, at 15:58, Sam Bull wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-09-27 at 09:42 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, 2016-09-27 at 14:31 +0200, Jan Niklas Hasse wrote:
> > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016, at 13:44, 0x90 wrote:
> > > > See this thread:
> > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/53d5kz/need_dev_info_abou
> > > > t_
> > > > legacy_traytopicons_plus_in/
> > > > To achieve this goal, all apps need to be redesigned.
> > > After reading the thread I still don't know what the replacement
> > > is.
> > > Just remove the tray icon? And run in the background without
> > > illustrating that to the user?
> > I don't know - this seems reasonable to me.  If an application has a
> > service component... just provide the service.  As a user why do I
> > care? There is no need for me to see something unless something
> > happens.
>
> Also, for email, the accounts can be setup in the control panel as an
> online account. If an account is setup through there, then it would
> certainly be nice to have GOA or something trigger notifications for
> these accounts if an app is not open.
>
> This would be similar to what the Ubuntu phone does with UOA, though
> this is more born out of the lifecycle requirement, that apps aren't
> allowed to run in the background.

While it makes sense for some applications, like email, it's rather confusing for something like an IRC 
client: I don't want it to run at start up, but I also want to be able to let it run in the background 
without a window. Without the tray I have NO idea if my IRC client is currently running (without using `ps 
aux` or something like that).

Note that I'm not alone with this: Google has required that apps which want to run in the background to have 
a presistant notification so that the user knows about it: 
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/07/29/android-engineer-explains-why-some-apps-suddenly-have-persistent-notifications-after-you-upgrade-to-android-4-3/

Also the tray icon also shows other stuff: For Dropbox / Seafile it shows when it's currently syncing data by 
spinning arrows.