Re: Very hidden menu in gnome-shell

On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 21:20 +0200, Ozan Çağlayan wrote: 
I've been using gnome3 for a year or more now.

Same here.

 I can say I'm pretty OK
with it but I hope it well get better and better in the next years.

I'm far beyond OK; I really like Shell, the extension system, and the
way my desktop behaves.  It is a major improvement over the previous
GNOME 2.x.

But recently I discovered something which I really didn't find obvious
and intuitive. I was searching a way for sorting items in Nautilus 

Oh yea.  Nautilus has IMNSHO, suffered under GNOME Shell.  And it hasn't
gone it a good direction, loosing features over time.  I know people who
won't upgrade to GNOME 3.6 as Nautilus uses split panes - a terribly
awesome feature when used in combination with GVFS.

Then I thought that "OK so they didn't implement ordering for listed
items, fine." for 6 months or so. 

Well, sort of.  In preferences there is a "List Columns" tab, one
available column is "Type".  That at least lists folders together.

Bingo! I found that when you click "Nautilus" tab next to activities
(when Nautilus is running) you actually have a bunch of things instead
of a single "Quit" action that I encounter with firefox. 

.... You mean when you look in the App Menu?  That is where global
application stuff is found.  Firefox doesn't put anything useful there
[I suppose because it isn't a "GNOME app"].  But most GNOME applications
have more stuff there than quit.  Applications are still adapting to the
GNOME App Menu.

So I do not believe that menu is hidden at all.

In nautilus at lease the difference between the "gear" button/icon/menu
[sheesssh, that's 'intuitive'] and the right-click-in-the-window is what
I find baffling.  

There in preferences there's an option "sort folders before files".

Yep.  BTW, that has been in the Preferences dialog for a decade or

So finally I think that is a quite hidden place for a Preferences and
other actions.

Yes and no, it is where it is expected.  But one has to get used to
using the App Menu, it is sort of a stealth feature.  I'm not really
sold on it - but all the cool kids are into global menus now, so they
are probably here to stay.

FYI#1, you can turn off the App Menu.

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
'{"Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu": <int32 0>}'

But you may not like that behavior any better for applications that only
have a "Quit" option.

FYI#2, there is a hot-key bound to the App Menu: <super>F10   That makes
the App Menu as a 'intuitive task-oriented usability feature' more
usable when it locates a menu option there relating to an application
that is 36 inches away from the menu itself.

 Second think is that why there's some ordering options
in nautilus's "down icon" menu for grid but nothing for "list view"?

Because in list view you can just click on the column headings.

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