Re: Disliking gnome 3

[Pasha R <pashar ml gmail com>]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:55 AM, John Stowers
<john stowers lists gmail com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 08:47 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, John Stowers
>> <john stowers lists gmail com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 09:15 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Giovanni Campagna
>> >> <scampa giovanni gmail com> wrote:
>> >> > Il giorno gio, 01/09/2011 alle 21.42 +0300, Pasha R ha scritto:
>> >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
>> >> >> <awilliam whitemice org> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 18:16 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
>> >> >> >> My problem is that shell is simply inconvenient to use and insulting
>> >> >> >> attitude of developers
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't feel insulted at all.
>> >> >> Good for you. I find an attitude commonly expressed on this and some
>> >> >> other lists "we know better what you should want" insulting.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> First of all, thank you for an answer.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I concede that our solutions are not meant for everybody, as there may
>> >> > be people with different conflicting requirements, but we're still
>> >> > convinced they apply for the vast majority of our target user base. On
>> >>
>> >> This is my first problem: what is your target user base? I don't think
>> >> it is "advanced" users, since they usually want to customize their
>> >> systems much more than allowed by current design. It is also probably
>> >> not "novice" users - for example I don't see my mother typing
>> >> application name anytime soon, and she will definitely feel lost in
>> >> all these icons thrown into overview.
>> >
>> > The problem is arguments like these are so anecdotal they become
>> > uninteresting. For example, my partner has no difficulty with G3, typing
>> > 'music' launches rhythmbox (i.e. no need to know the program name) and
>>
>> This argument is even less interesting. I'm glad your partner has no
>> problem with G3. I know enough people that do.
>
> I know N+1 that dont! (see my point?).
>
> I'm not entirely dismissing your criticism, I just think it would be
> more useful if more detailed or more structured (for example broken into
> chunks on bz, etc).
>
> Note, in the interests of fairness I am also a little disappointed that
> the shell was not accompanied by more detailed and recorded user
> testing.
>
>>
>> > this icon based launcher is familiar to smartphone users.
>> Then G3 is probably good for smartphones. But I tried to run it on a
>> PC and it's a mess. Especially, if you use it with language other than
>> English.
>
> The english thing sounds like a bug.
>

Translation is never in perfect state, especially for programs coming
from 3-rd party repositories. Some programs simply don't have
translated name or description, so one must type it in English to find
them. In some cases there is no consistent terminology at all.