Re: Disliking gnome 3

[John Stowers <john stowers lists gmail com>]

On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 08:47 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, John Stowers
> <john stowers lists gmail com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 09:15 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
> >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Giovanni Campagna
> >> <scampa giovanni gmail com> wrote:
> >> > Il giorno gio, 01/09/2011 alle 21.42 +0300, Pasha R ha scritto:
> >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
> >> >> <awilliam whitemice org> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 18:16 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
> >> >> >> My problem is that shell is simply inconvenient to use and insulting
> >> >> >> attitude of developers
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't feel insulted at all.
> >> >> Good for you. I find an attitude commonly expressed on this and some
> >> >> other lists "we know better what you should want" insulting.
> >> >
> >>
> >> First of all, thank you for an answer.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I concede that our solutions are not meant for everybody, as there may
> >> > be people with different conflicting requirements, but we're still
> >> > convinced they apply for the vast majority of our target user base. On
> >>
> >> This is my first problem: what is your target user base? I don't think
> >> it is "advanced" users, since they usually want to customize their
> >> systems much more than allowed by current design. It is also probably
> >> not "novice" users - for example I don't see my mother typing
> >> application name anytime soon, and she will definitely feel lost in
> >> all these icons thrown into overview.
> >
> > The problem is arguments like these are so anecdotal they become
> > uninteresting. For example, my partner has no difficulty with G3, typing
> > 'music' launches rhythmbox (i.e. no need to know the program name) and
> 
> This argument is even less interesting. I'm glad your partner has no
> problem with G3. I know enough people that do.

I know N+1 that dont! (see my point?).

I'm not entirely dismissing your criticism, I just think it would be
more useful if more detailed or more structured (for example broken into
chunks on bz, etc).

Note, in the interests of fairness I am also a little disappointed that
the shell was not accompanied by more detailed and recorded user
testing.

> 
> > this icon based launcher is familiar to smartphone users.
> Then G3 is probably good for smartphones. But I tried to run it on a
> PC and it's a mess. Especially, if you use it with language other than
> English.

The english thing sounds like a bug.

John