I must admit I am fed up with reading about power off suspend etc. The thing with Linux is choice, there is always choice! just as some enterprising person created an extension that allows the possibility to shutdown the computer! If you choose use it! Google is such a great tool you can find out so much with just a few clicks. Just as you can choose to use gnome-shell or not! Having to Wade through a mailing list of useless rants to find useful information totally defeats its purpose! If you want to complain or are unhappy then do something like educate yourself and choose something that you will be happy with there are many flavours and options in the Linux community because everyone has different needs and wants. But please find a forum start a thread and do your unconstructive complaining elsewhere!!!
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> 4. Re: The good, the bad, the insane (Adam Williamson)
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> 6. Re: The good, the bad, the insane (Diego Fernandez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:22:56 -0700
> From: Diego Fernandez <
aiguo fernandez gmail com>
> To: Martin H?sler <
martin haesler googlemail com>
> Cc: Owen Taylor <
otaylor redhat com>,
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> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Martin H?sler
> <
martin haesler googlemail com> wrote:
>> On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
>>>> the menu then? ?That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be
>>>> back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing". ?Power Off =
>>>> "I'm done for a while and just want to turn the computer off". ?Of
>>>> course the power off option should follow current behaviour of asking
>>>> wether one wants to power off or restart.
>>>
>>> OK, let's assume the user gets that distinction clear in their mind.
>>> Do they then realize that Suspend is a quite reasonable thing (*) to do
>>> when "back in a bit" means "tomorrow"? Usually, no, they don't.
>>>
>>> - Owen
>>>
>>> (*) I'm willing to say that turning your computer off at the wall
>>> ? ? every night is *also* reasonable for certain users, but if you
>>> ? ? crunch the numbers it's spending a lot of time for something that
>>> ? ? isn't very high on anybody's carbon footprint..
>>>
>>>
>> Please feel free to crunch the numbers, because I've got not idea, what
>> you are talking of.
>> Also a computer takes < 10 seconds to power off, how is that a lot of time ?
>>
>> And of course it is not reasonable at all to suspend when back in a bit
>> means tomorrow.
>> That is a waste of energy and money.
>>
>> martin
>>
>
> +1
>
> I just don't see how having the two options on the menu creates any
> problems or confusion or anything really, I do however see a huge
> problem with hiding such a basic function as shutting down.
>
> --
> Diego Fernandez - ??
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:29:54 -0700
> From: Diego Fernandez <
aiguo fernandez gmail com>
> To: Martin H?sler <
martin haesler googlemail com>
> Cc: Owen Taylor <
otaylor redhat com>,
gnome-shell-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: The good, the bad, the insane
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> sorry for double posting forgot to include that in the end it's the
> person's choice whether they want to 'waste' the few seconds it takes
> to shutdown/bootup or not. The user will look at the value of
> shutting down and saving some energy vs. the few seconds they might
> have to wait to boot up and make the choice that is right for them.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Diego Fernandez
> <
aiguo fernandez gmail com> wrote:
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Martin H?sler
>> <
martin haesler googlemail com> wrote:
>>> On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
>>>>> the menu then? ?That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be
>>>>> back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing". ?Power Off =
>>>>> "I'm done for a while and just want to turn the computer off". ?Of
>>>>> course the power off option should follow current behaviour of asking
>>>>> wether one wants to power off or restart.
>>>>
>>>> OK, let's assume the user gets that distinction clear in their mind.
>>>> Do they then realize that Suspend is a quite reasonable thing (*) to do
>>>> when "back in a bit" means "tomorrow"? Usually, no, they don't.
>>>>
>>>> - Owen
>>>>
>>>> (*) I'm willing to say that turning your computer off at the wall
>>>> ? ? every night is *also* reasonable for certain users, but if you
>>>> ? ? crunch the numbers it's spending a lot of time for something that
>>>> ? ? isn't very high on anybody's carbon footprint..
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Please feel free to crunch the numbers, because I've got not idea, what
>>> you are talking of.
>>> Also a computer takes < 10 seconds to power off, how is that a lot of time ?
>>>
>>> And of course it is not reasonable at all to suspend when back in a bit
>>> means tomorrow.
>>> That is a waste of energy and money.
>>>
>>> martin
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I just don't see how having the two options on the menu creates any
>> problems or confusion or anything really, I do however see a huge
>> problem with hiding such a basic function as shutting down.
>>
>> --
>> Diego Fernandez - ??
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Diego Fernandez - ??
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 19:53:17 +0200
> From: Philipp Mohrenweiser <
phiamo googlemail com>
> To: Diego Fernandez <
aiguo fernandez gmail com>
> Cc: Owen Taylor <
otaylor redhat com>,
gnome-shell-list gnome org,
> Martin H?sler <
martin haesler googlemail com>
> Subject: Re: The good, the bad, the insane
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> Dont know if it was mentiond but there is an extention to have all the
> shutdown suspend etc at once...
> Cheers phil
> Am 27.05.2011 19:23 schrieb "Diego Fernandez" <
aiguo fernandez gmail com>:
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Martin H?sler
>> <
martin haesler googlemail com> wrote:
>>> On 05/27/11 17:12, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 08:53 -0700, Diego Fernandez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in
>>>>> the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be
>>>>> back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing". Power Off =
>>>>> "I'm done for a while and just want to turn the computer off". Of
>>>>> course the power off option should follow current behaviour of asking
>>>>> wether one wants to power off or restart.
>>>>
>>>> OK, let's assume the user gets that distinction clear in their mind.
>>>> Do they then realize that Suspend is a quite reasonable thing (*) to do
>>>> when "back in a bit" means "tomorrow"? Usually, no, they don't.
>>>>
>>>> - Owen
>>>>
>>>> (*) I'm willing to say that turning your computer off at the wall
>>>> every night is *also* reasonable for certain users, but if you
>>>> crunch the numbers it's spending a lot of time for something that
>>>> isn't very high on anybody's carbon footprint..
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Please feel free to crunch the numbers, because I've got not idea, what
>>> you are talking of.
>>> Also a computer takes < 10 seconds to power off, how is that a lot of
> time ?
>>>
>>> And of course it is not reasonable at all to suspend when back in a bit
>>> means tomorrow.
>>> That is a waste of energy and money.
>>>
>>> martin
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I just don't see how having the two options on the menu creates any
>> problems or confusion or anything really, I do however see a huge
>> problem with hiding such a basic function as shutting down.
>>
>> --
>> Diego Fernandez - ??
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> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 10:55:11 -0700
> From: Adam Williamson <
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> To: Nirbheek Chauhan <
nirbheek gentoo org>
> Cc:
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> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 21:38 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Adam Williamson <
awilliam redhat com> wrote:
>> > (This is actually one area where the kernel folks and distros - like us!
>> > - seriously need to pull their finger out and either fix up the current
>> > hibernate code, or swallow their pride and merge in either tuxonice or
>> > uswsusp, like now; there's no reason hibernate should suck anywhere near
>> > as badly as it currently does. I suspect what the Shell designers would
>> > really like to do by default is hybrid suspend, like on Macs, but this
>> > is rather impractical given that you can't actually _do_ hybrid suspend
>> > on Linux, yet, with a stock setup.)
>> >
>>
>> I completely agree with you that we should hybrid suspend instead of
>> normal suspend. Infact, if I remember correctly, both tuxonice and
>> uswsusp already support hybrid suspend.
>
> My reading of the situation is that uswsusp has quite limited support
> for hybrid suspend; tuxonice's is better, but tuxonice relies on
> non-upstreamed kernel changes. They seem to be getting upstreamed, but
> very slowly.
>
> My understanding of uswsusp may be out of date, though - it doesn't help
> that it doesn't seem to be packaged in Fedora, for no reason I can
> discern. I should really get around to building it and testing it out.
> --
> Adam Williamson
> Fedora QA Community Monkey
> IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 14:29:41 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams <
awilliam whitemice org>
> To:
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> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 19:53 +0200, Philipp Mohrenweiser wrote:
>> Dont know if it was mentiond but there is an extention to have all the
>> shutdown suspend etc at once...
>
> I was mentioned at least once [by me] and summarily disregarded. Of
> course each distro will choose what extensions to package and/or install
> be default. They are free to install this one.
>
> I have it installed. Power Off is always displayed, Suspend is
> displayed with an Alternate of Hibernate.
>
> For openSUSE 11.4 users using the GNOME3 STABLE repo this is package
> gnome-shell-extension-alt-status-menu-3.0.1-3.1.noarch
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:03:08 -0400
> From: Diego Fernandez <
aiguo fernandez gmail com>
> To:
awilliam whitemice org
> Cc:
gnome-shell-list gnome org> Subject: Re: The good, the bad, the insane
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> We all (on this list) know about the extension, I personally have a
> key shortcut for powering off. The discussion is about the choice of
> hiding the Power Off option and the effect it has on your average
> user. The problem is that most people don't look things up, if they
> don't know how to do it they just don't do it. If they don't see a
> 'Power Off' option they might just not power off, but for those that
> want to they have to look up how to do it. It make NO SENSE that one
> would have to turn to google to figure out how to turn their computer
> off.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Adam Tauno Williams
> <
awilliam whitemice org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 19:53 +0200, Philipp Mohrenweiser wrote:
>>> Dont know if it was mentiond but there is an extention to have all the
>>> shutdown suspend etc at once...
>>
>> I was mentioned at least once [by me] and summarily disregarded. ?Of
>> course each distro will choose what extensions to package and/or install
>> be default. ?They are free to install this one.
>>
>> I have it installed. ?Power Off is always displayed, Suspend is
>> displayed with an Alternate of Hibernate.
>>
>> For openSUSE 11.4 users using the GNOME3 STABLE repo this is package
>> gnome-shell-extension-alt-status-menu-3.0.1-3.1.noarch
>>
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