Re: The good, the bad, the insane

[Martin Häsler <martin haesler googlemail com>]

> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 05:51:30 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams<awilliam whitemice org>
> To:gnome-shell-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: The good, the bad, the insane
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> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 19:22 -0500, Robert Park wrote:
> > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Jesse Hutton<jesse hutton gmail com>  wrote:
> > > And, the "preferred" way of powering down by logging out and doing it in GDM
> > > is surely not optimal given that most machines are single user systems. A
> > > laptop is practically by definition a single user system. Gnome Shell is
> > > just placing obstacles in a user's way there.
> > I am having difficulty understanding *either* side of this debate.
> > Expecting people to power down from GDM is just silly. That's so many
> > extra clicks for something that should be simple.
> > For those complaining about the removal of the "power down" option, do
> > your laptops lack physical power buttons? I have been running Gnome
> > Shell for months, and I just tap the power button, then the shell asks
> > me if I want to reboot or power down. Works flawlessly and it's
> > actually one less click than accessing it from a menu.
> > I kind of wish people would just stop complaining about this and start
> > using their physical power buttons. It's been working great for me. I
> > don't see what the fuss is about.
> +1  The noise about this issue is what is insane;  how anyone manages to
> care is something beyond my understanding.
>
> (a) there are other ways to power down - the power button [obviously],
> logging out and shutting down, or using the menu and pressing *one* key.
> (b) how often do you power down?
> (c) you can suspend just by closing the lit
> (d) the actions of closing the lid, pressing the power button, etc... is
> *easily* changed in system settings; for example, I changed my laptop
> not to do anything when the lid is closed.
> (e) there is an extension available [in at least the openSUSE GNOME3
> STABLE repo] that adds Suspend&  Power Off as discreet items on the
> menu.
>
> Describing people as "suffering" because of this design decision is way
> beyond absurd.  I'm just more convinced a segment of users will attack
> every single component that was *changed* from GNOME2 to GNOME3;
> regardless of if it matters at all.
First of all, it should be obvious that people who follow this 
mailing-list and
post here care about gnome and want gnome to improve.

Please let me explain why I care.
Having only Suspend in the user menu encourages people to waste energy
and that bothers me greatly.
And not everyone owns a modern laptop which uses only 1 Watt per hour in 
standby.
More common would be laptops using about 10-13 Watt and desktop PC's 
even more,
especially considering the external monitor. Let's say you use your PC 
50 hours a week.
That means 118 hours a week in standby mode. And roughly 6200 hours a year.
That equals 62 kw/h wasted for nothing.
I care about the environment and I don't see how this is hard to understand.

Martin