Re: GNOME 3 from Fedora user's perpective - request for changes

[JB <jb 1234abcd gmail com>]

Olav Vitters <olav@...> writes:

> ...
I wanted you to see the problem thru the eyes of a Fedora user and other
non-technical business end users.
GNOME does not live in a vacuum - without a broad user base it will become 
marginal and eventually disappear.

> > I find GNOME 3 menu system dysfunctional and an example of inexperience:
> 
> As suggested in > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-
> April/098603.html
> could you please provide concrete evidence? We're open to feedback, but
> that requires more than opinions. We have enough of those :)

Sorry. I feel I provided it, and it is not "just an opinion" but a description
of a really screwed up menu system.

> ...
> Configurable option won't happen; that'll mean you want something
> supported by the GNOME shell developers. But GNOME shell can be fully
> customized. You (or anyone) can write an extension which does (almost)
> whatever you want. Supported by whomever writes the extension.
> ...

Before we ask non-technical business end users to get lost and write some
extensions to fix problems GNOME 3 delivered to them, there is still a hope
that GNOME devs fix the menu systems themselves.
It can be done by anchoring back the new GNOME 3 menu system (minus silly
Activities and Windows, Application sub-menu items) on a fully functional
panel. Bingo. I trust they can do that with one finger, right ? :-)

> ...
> > If not IT (support) people then the business end users will force it upon
> > them and you. Or they will avoid your products as "geeky" and "unreliable".
>  
> Such statements are pretty empty imo without some concrete data. For
> instance, I've seen how people interact with the various GNOME shell
> interface. People generally either completely hate it, or love it (this
> is good btw.. GUADEC Vilanova had a great talk about this).
> Seems to be missing some sentences in your arguments. How does a menu
> system relate to "unreliable"?
> 

I really think that the new menu system is a prank.
Put brown bags over your heads and get over it :-)
Fix it (see above how) and you will be lovely and "reliable" geeks again ...

JB