Re: Is the Minimize button still useful with gnome-shell ?

IMHO there is 2 problems with minimize options :

1/ there is no way to restore windows in the current workspace without going to the Activities overview (which, by the way, make me think to vi command mode. Absolutely no offense here, but I am maybe too old for newer metaphor ;) ) and I think that if minimize behavior is to be kept there should be a mean to restore windows from the current workspace (iconbox, etc.)

2/ as Mathew mentions, the fact that minimized windows have the same visual importance in the Activities overview is disturbing

Let me say it another way. Switching from workspace to activities overview is, at least in my mind, switching from a local area to a global one with many more information, and I consider minimize action as a local action, therefore it is disturbing to go to the global picture to restore a window especially that, as Mathew said, minimized windows don't have special appearance.

Moreover minimize actions are not first class actions in gnome-shell (while spreading windows all over workspaces is). If I understand well gnome-shell paradigm, minimize actions are last resort action : Well for any reason I don't want to open another workspace but I have to make room, let start to minimize some stuff.

That is why I proposed to remove minimize button from the title bar, and probably keep it as shortcut and in the title bar menu but as local workspace action.

I would like to be clear, I know how it is difficult to propose new things, to disturb habits and I feel that gnome-shell will be a great masterpiece (but it will have to find its way) and my intent here is just to give feedback and maybe some little clues.


Le 18/03/2010 23:40, David Mulder a écrit :
Though I defintely agree that a minimize button might not be necessary anymore, I got to disagree that the collapse option would be better. Something which might be worth considering is removing the button alltogether and only add a cmd/ctrl+h option (super+hide) which hides the window from view and is only visible in the gnome-shell, but that would depend on how many people actually still use the minimizing option.
  David Mulder

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:55 PM, François Jaouen <francois jaouen laposte net> wrote:

(My previous post seems to have vanished away so here is my second try)

I've started to play with the very promising gnome-shell and, at first, I was quite confused when I minimized a window and saw it disappeared around the Activities label without any clue to restore it back !

Then I remembered that gnome-shell is all about using several workspaces and I decided to leave my habit of working with only one workspace (ten years of MS Windows practice is bound to take its toll) and started to organize my windows into several workspaces. Half an hour later, I was very comfortable with it.

Hence my (open) question : Is the Minimize button still useful with gnome-shell ? Wouldn't it be more in sync with gnome-shell to have instead a collapse behind the title bar behavior as in emerald (double click on the title bar) ?

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