Hi! > Lots of people are talking about a concern they have with the design > of Gnome Shell (for valid reasons in my opinion) and your basically > telling them to button up because your not changing the design . . .I > didn't think this was what open source was about. No, I don't. If you have something has hasn't been discussed in the mailing list archive, a new point or a new discussion line than feel free to post that. But as of now I haven't seen that and the designers (note: I am neither a gnome-shell developer nor designers) have responded to all what is currently discussed in the past. Probably a FAQ entry listing questions and answers would be great if someone wants to read through the archive. I am just a bit tired to read the same discussion for the fourth or fifth time now. Note that I also started one of these threads month ago... Regards, Johannes > > I'll stop moaning though, I'll be able to live happily with alt + tab > I just don't think the average user will be. > > -Sean > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Johannes Schmid <jhs jsschmid de> > To: Giovanni Campagna <scampa giovanni gmail com> > Cc: Sean Dunwoody <sean_dunwoody yahoo com>; > gnome-shell-list gnome org; Nick <soapduk gmail com> > Sent: Thu, 24 June, 2010 19:01:11 > Subject: Re: Active Applications list > > Hi all! > > That has really be discussed to an end sorry - no new points, see the > mailing list archive. > > Feel free to write that great default extension that will do all that > and will fit into the design and post it here. But please code it - no > more mockups, no more ideas, let the code speak. > > Thanks, > Johannes > > Am Donnerstag, den 24.06.2010, 19:13 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Campagna: > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Sean Dunwoody > <sean_dunwoody yahoo com> wrote: > > > I still haven't seen a valid reason not to integrate a window list > of some > > > form or other, I know that Gnome 3.0 is meant to be a reinvention > of gnome > > > but I can understand why people would be angry, every OS I can > think of has > > > an easy way of changing applications (often involving a window > list) that > > > can be accessed easily without having to 'zoom out' of what your > doing and > > > trying to find the application you want . . . which can be rather > difficult > > > if you have a lot of applications open at once, and also it can be > very > > > distracting, there have been many a time where this has broken my > workflow, > > > and whilst I mostly use alt + tab I find it frustrating the way > that the > > > alt+tab in gnome 3 handles multiple windows of the same > application. > > > > > > > Speaking personally, I thought the same when I first encountered > GNOME > > Shell, and actually supposed that the then existing sidebar would be > > extended to be a full featured dock. Having used it more, I find the > > Activity overview useful as an overview, and got progressively used > to > > alt-tabbing to change windows. Still, I sometimes need more time to > > alt-tab than it used to take with GNOME Panel (as the order of the > > application changes every time, so you need to be careful to focus > the > > right one), but gradually it becomes so automatic I don't even use > the > > sort-of-dock I posted earlier in this topic. > > > > Nevertheless, I think you are right: the first impact with the total > > absence of immediate window management is puzzling, and therefore I > > would like to see some sort of default extension, that is a dock / > > similar system, that is not part of the core program (and thus can > be > > easily disabled, upgraded, replaced...) but still is distributed > > inside gnome-shell tarball. I can see the distributor doing this, if > > upstream is not done (assuming they do ship GNOME Shell, which is > not > > mentioned either by Ubuntu 10.10 or Fedora 14, both of which plan to > > include GNOME 3.0) > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Milan Bouchet-Valat <nalimilan club fr> > > > To: Nick <soapduk gmail com> > > > Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org > > > Sent: Thu, 24 June, 2010 11:53:29 > > > Subject: Re: Active Applications list > > > > > > Le jeudi 24 juin 2010 à 22:19 +1200, Nick a écrit : > > >> I propose some kind of active apps/tasks list that is displayed > at all > > >> times. I get the feeling that the developers want to keep the > > >> panel/task bar (whatever it is being called) clutter free, so > they are > > >> not going to want program names splattered across it. I think the > > >> solution would be to have smallish icons of the active apps/tasks > > >> displayed next to the activities button. > > > Hi and thanks for trying the Shell and reporting. This issue has > been > > > discussed many times already on this list though, and designers > and > > > developers don't have the time to answer again an again the same > > > concerns. > > > > > > To be short: it's at the core or the Shell's design to work with > the > > > overview rather than an application list. Though the Shell has a > support > > > for optional extensions, so if somebody steps in and provides an > > > application list extension, this feature will be available for > people > > > who feel the need for it. But not by default. > > > > > > Sorry to be quick, but if you want more details, see the list > archives > > > for the last few months: > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/ > > > and be sure to read the design documents too: > > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > > gnome-shell-list gnome org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > > gnome-shell-list gnome org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > > > > > > > Giovanni > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > gnome-shell-list gnome org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > >
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