Re: Most Recent version and etc

["Leonard R. Smith, Jr." <leonards iol21 com>]

Telsa,

Thanks for the feedback. I want to do the compile and step by step install
because I am a control freak. I have been programming and using computers
for a long time and I like to know what is sitting on my computer when I use
it. Also, I am tired of some of the sloppy installs I have seen in Microsoft
products. If I know what is there then I can help to ensure that space is
used efficiently.

It has been a long time since I have used command line compilers (Borland
being the last). I have compiled the kernel once or twice, but that is no
big deal. Do the Gnome tarballs come with configure and install scripts? Do
you have any suggestions?

Leonard Smith

----- Original Message -----
From: Telsa Gwynne <hobbit aloss ukuu org uk>
To: <gnome-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Most Recent version and etc


> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:23:53AM -0500 or thereabouts, Garrett Mickelson
wrote:
> > Leonard,
> > gnome.org takes you to the Ximian website, last I checked. Also, I don't
>
> http://www.gnome.org is not the same as http://www.ximian.com, I'm
> pretty sure :)
>
> > recommend compiling Gnome from source, as this is an extremely daunting
> > task. There are way too many gnome modules and apps to install. The RPM
> > install alone is almost 120 packages. Also, I believe that there are no
> > Gnome tarballs available either.
>
> Gnome comes in tarballs, sure. ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/ for them.
> (Actually, since it's a GNU project, I think it would have to come as
> tarballs: I believe tarballs are the preferred method of packaging
> for GNU programs?)
>
> I agree that there are a _lot_ of packages. You don't have to have
> them all, though. If you (original poster, that is) want to learn
> about Gnome, Linux, and such stuff, I would actually think that
> Gnome's a great thing to try to compile: there is a lot of it, you
> have to get it in the right order, you have to make sure that the
> prefixes are all correct (so that when you make install a package and
> then try to compile the next one, the next one knows where to find
> the first); you will meet all the i18n stuff, the whole "tar xfvz foo;
> cd foo; ./configure; make; make install" routine, and goodness knows
> what else.
>
> Then 90% of people go "argh, give me a package manager!" and 10% feel
> so in charge of what's going on that they eschew package managers
> forever after :)
>
> Seriously: yes, you can get all of Gnome in tarball format. The
> distributions all add patches and images which they prefer to the
> defaults. RH has a ton of patches to gdm ("the graphical login
> screen thing") and a picture in black and white of people, one of
> whom is wearing a, um, red hat. Ximian have an overlapping ton in
> patches to gdm and a rather cooler picture. Some distributions tweak
> some programs (gnorpm, for example) to be runnable by users who
> type in the root password; others leave those programs in a state
> where you have to be root, and not just a user who knows the root
> password. Etc etc.
>
> Telsa
>
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